<div dir="ltr">+1</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul.m.ramirez@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">paul.m.ramirez@jpl.nasa.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Alex,<br>
<br>
Agreed, thanks for scoping it! Will be starting actual work on it next<br>
week. I'll throw some issues in Trac before I get started.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--Paul<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On 6/2/13 9:22 AM, "Alex Mandel" <<a href="mailto:tech_dev@wildintellect.com">tech_dev@wildintellect.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>Considering we build in a virtual environment to begin with, I actually<br>
>don't anticipate many issues. I don't think we're ever going to create a<br>
>pure server version either though as I agree with James that such a<br>
>system should be custom installed by someone who understands server<br>
>security and resource management. Our scripts can be used as a guide to<br>
>installing something once you've decided on your platform for deployment.<br>
><br>
>What we can do in the VM we release:<br>
>Install easy to use firewall (like gufw) to block outside connections by<br>
>default. In our quickstart for cloud services, explain how to change the<br>
>default password, setup ssh, ssh keys, configure the firewall, and<br>
>remote into the VM (either ssh and/or remote desktop/vnc).<br>
><br>
>This would allow users to experiment without needing to run a local<br>
>virtual machine.<br>
><br>
>Thanks,<br>
>Alex<br>
><br>
><br>
>On 06/01/2013 04:01 PM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:<br>
>> James & Cameron,<br>
>><br>
>> My intention was to start with the VM and make it available on VM Depot<br>
>>and as an AMI so that it could be easily run on the respective cloud<br>
>>platforms (Azure and Amazon). From there creating an OSGeo-Server<br>
>>version on the cloud would seem to need more forethought and work put<br>
>>into it.<br>
>><br>
>> --Paul<br>
>><br>
>> From: Cameron Shorter<br>
>><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>> Date: Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:47 PM<br>
>> To: James Klassen<br>
>><<a href="mailto:jklassen@sharedgeo.org">jklassen@sharedgeo.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jklassen@sharedgeo.org">jklassen@sharedgeo.org</a>>><br>
>> Cc: "<a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a>>"<br>
>><<a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a>>>, JPL<br>
>><<a href="mailto:paul.m.ramirez@jpl.nasa.gov">paul.m.ramirez@jpl.nasa.gov</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:paul.m.ramirez@jpl.nasa.gov">paul.m.ramirez@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot<br>
>><br>
>> James,<br>
>> Good question.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get<br>
>>OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw away"<br>
>>install for testing software.<br>
>><br>
>> However, a next step could be to build a server version of OSGeo-Live,<br>
>>maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of priorities. In<br>
>>particular, the server version need not be constrained by the size of a<br>
>>DVD, should be optimised for server performance, and should have an<br>
>>emphasis on security. (There is quite a bit of work involved in thinking<br>
>>through all these issues).<br>
>><br>
>> On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if OSGeo-Live? (My<br>
>>presumption is that a cloud hosted installation would likely be directly<br>
>>on the internet.)<br>
>><br>
>> My observation is the packages (and particularly the server and<br>
>>database components) are installed such that it is easy to explore and<br>
>>experiment. This is different than how things would be properly<br>
>>configured and secured as internet facing services.<br>
>><br>
>> When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it is a great way to<br>
>>get started, try things, and see what can be done with the software.<br>
>>However, they should really do their own install if they plan to use it<br>
>>for production use.<br>
>><br>
>> On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter"<br>
>><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> Paul, sorry for the delayed response ...<br>
>><br>
>> On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:<br>
>> Cameron,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more involved than I<br>
>> may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a time. It<br>
>>will<br>
>> take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from what I can<br>
>>tell<br>
>> the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd?<br>
>> Not quite:<br>
>><br>
>> Key Milestones<br>
>><br>
>> 17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old applications<br>
>>updated<br>
>> 15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated)<br>
>> 05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working)<br>
>> 26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40</a><br>
>><br>
>> I won't be able to make the IRC<br>
>> meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the following<br>
>>week.<br>
>> I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our meeting<br>
>>details here:<br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us</a><br>
>><br>
>> Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple steps I can<br>
>> start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you think would be<br>
>> good first steps?<br>
>><br>
>> I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for building<br>
>>OSGeo-Live in the cloud.<br>
>> First, see if it is possible.<br>
>> Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be automated so<br>
>>we can do this regularly as part of our build cycle.<br>
>> Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the cloud<br>
>>install so they can debug their application if it doesn't work.<br>
>><br>
>> It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything right.<br>
>>Our first USB release was considered beta and had known issues and it<br>
>>took a few releases before we started recommending it.<br>
>><br>
>> As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> @Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely comfortable<br>
>> with that route.<br>
>><br>
>> --Paul Ramirez<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter"<br>
>><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> (continuing on osgeolive email list)<br>
>><br>
>> Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting of OSGeoLive<br>
>> is a huge value add for the community, and something that opens the door<br>
>> for many other opportunities.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core OSGeo-Live team<br>
>> as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud hosting a<br>
>> central focus of our 7.0 release.<br>
>> Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into the greater<br>
>> community to help debug issues on the cloud platform.<br>
>> Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new distribution<br>
>>platform.<br>
>><br>
>> I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and someone such as<br>
>> yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it already, then<br>
>> it is a win for everyone.<br>
>><br>
>> Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here:<br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule</a><br>
>><br>
>> And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants here:<br>
>><br>
>><a href="http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coord" target="_blank">http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coord</a><br>
>>i<br>
>> nating.html<br>
>> (This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify spending time on<br>
>> OSGeo-Live)<br>
>><br>
>> On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:<br>
>> Paul,<br>
>><br>
>> If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to commit it to the<br>
>> svn repository directly (see<br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion</a>). Or you can send<br>
>> the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list (<br>
>> <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo</a>) or attach it to a<br>
>> ticket ( <a href="http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/" target="_blank">http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/</a> )<br>
>><br>
>> Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should continue the<br>
>> discussion.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Alex<br>
>><br>
>> On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:<br>
>> Hi Alex,<br>
>><br>
>> Will definitely let the community know when this is done. Fairly<br>
>> certain<br>
>> we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM going and if you guys<br>
>> want to add this documentation upstream in the site that would be<br>
>> great,<br>
>> are you the person to send that type of information to? This is<br>
>> something<br>
>> that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM Depot side.<br>
>><br>
>> If we run into any snafus with the VM format that can't be overcome<br>
>> fairly<br>
>> easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up changing the VM<br>
>> format<br>
>> we'll push that upstream too.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Paul Ramirez<br>
>><br>
>> On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel"<br>
>><<a href="mailto:tech_dev@wildintellect.com">tech_dev@wildintellect.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:tech_dev@wildintellect.com">tech_dev@wildintellect.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:<br>
>> All,<br>
>><br>
>> Not sure who to ask but figured this list could provide some insight.<br>
>> I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and make it available on VM Depot<br>
>> [2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot is really just a community<br>
>> catalog of VMs that could be easily spun up on Microsoft Azure. I<br>
>> would<br>
>> eventually like to do the same on Amazon but for now this work aligns<br>
>> with other efforts in my day job. It don't think there will be that<br>
>> much<br>
>> effort involved in doing this but I wanted to make sure that this<br>
>> wasn't<br>
>> already done by someone and that it was okay to essentially<br>
>> redistribute<br>
>> this work.<br>
>><br>
>> The intended purpose of this is to help make it easier for some NASA<br>
>> Earth Science people I work with to have a platform to explore these<br>
>> technologies. We would eventually extend on this VM with ways to<br>
>> interact with NASA services/examples but figured this was an easy<br>
>> way to<br>
>> get bootstrapped. The other motivation we have is to infuse FOSS4G<br>
>> technologies into our data systems so this seemed like an avenue to<br>
>> do<br>
>> such a thing.<br>
>><br>
>> A little background on me. I was lucky enough to be able to<br>
>> participate<br>
>> on the planning committee for this years FOSS4G NA but unfortunately<br>
>> sequestered and unable to attend. Currently, I'm helping lead some<br>
>> working groups within NASA that focus on Geospatial efforts so my<br>
>> motivation there is to help tie that community to this one. I've<br>
>> worked<br>
>> for NASA for quite some time but over the last 2 years have become<br>
>> passionate about the open source efforts in the geospatial community.<br>
>><br>
>> Essentially, I really want to make sure that I credit OSGeo and all<br>
>> the<br>
>> people that did the work but at the same time not infringe on their<br>
>> efforts in any way. Any pointers, thoughts, concerns, etc. would be<br>
>> greatly appreciated.<br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>> Paul Ramirez<br>
>><br>
>> [1] <a href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html" target="_blank">http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html</a><br>
>> [2] <a href="http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index" target="_blank">http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't think anyone has done it<br>
>> yet,<br>
>> so you should and post back with the info for the community. We can<br>
>> even<br>
>> add a link in the documentation about how to create a VM on Azure<br>
>> based<br>
>> on the upload. We have talked about an EC2 instance also but no one<br>
>> has<br>
>> done that yet either.<br>
>><br>
>> Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM drive in another format...<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Alex<br>
>><br>
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>> Cameron Shorter<br>
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>> Cameron Shorter<br>
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