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<p>+1 kalxas<br><br>On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:09:24 +0200, Angelos Tzotsos
<gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com> wrote:</p>
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<div>Hi Cameron,
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<div>Given that we include at least another project that uses "trunk" (for many
years now) and not a released version, we cannot make this a hard requirement in
my opinion</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Angelos</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at
7:52 AM, Cameron Shorter <span><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid;
padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>Hi Gabriele,<br> Thanks for offering to help with reducing
packaging size. That will be helpful.<br><br> I also think it would be very
valuable for the version of the World Wind Web to be installed on OSGeo-Live to
be allocated a version number. There are many reasons for this, including:<br>
1. People will be able to determine if the version of World Wind Web they are
looking at is the latest version.<br> 2. People will be able to determine if
they should upgrade to a more recent version (because they are looking at an
older version)<br> 3. Developers and users will be able to align feature lists
and bug reports with specific version numbers, which will help users determine
whether to upgrade<br><br> I think that defining a package version number should
be a prerequisite for including the package on OSGeo-Live. The version number
could be called "beta" so long as it is considered "stable" by the developer and
user community.<br><br> Warm regards, Cameron
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<div class="h5"><br><br><div>On 7/01/2016 2:22 am, Gabriele Prestifilippo
wrote:</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">the Java version and the JavaScript’s
one, are two different applications, so we need to separate them. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I understand that the size of the Java
might be a problem. I can try to work a bit on it and delete the not strictly
necessary files from the original package, so to achieve a reasonable size.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regarding the web version, I may ask
Patrick about a tagged release, even if now it seems to appear as
‘pre-release’ version. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Even though I want to reassure you that
in spite of being not even a beta, its usage was growing consistently in the
past two years (as you may see from the different projects developed), and no
bugs were reported. It is tagged in this way because not all the features
available in the Java version are yet available. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Gabriele.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border: none; padding: 0cm;"><br><strong>From:
</strong><a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com" target="_blank">Angelos
Tzotsos</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>mercoledì 6 gennaio 2016
14:32<br><strong>To: </strong><a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">Cameron Shorter</a>; <a href="mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gabriele
Prestifilippo</a><br><strong>Cc: </strong><a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>Re:
[Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Gabriele for the detailed responses.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also strongly support the inclusion of Nasa World Wind in
OSGeoLive.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the size of the installation, I would like to try
a basic installation first (without documentation to save some space) so we can
find out how much World Wind will compress in the iso. The next step would be to
try to use the data already present in the disk. Then we will be able to make a
decision regarding the amount of sample data that will be needed.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding Java vs Web version, personally I would like to
see both included. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having a tagged release is a good sign of stability, so I
would prefer to have a tagged version included. This would also help potential
packaging efforts.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Angelos</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Gabriele,<br> Based on your responses, it seems that
Go World Wind is a mature, established open source GIS product, which is in line
with the principles of OSGeo Live.<br><br> On the downsite, it appears to be a
large product, which may be a challenge to fit on OSGeo-Live. I'd be interested
to hear thoughts from Angelos and others in that regard.<br><br> The
documentation does appear to be comprehensive and I feel shouldn't be included
with the OSGeo-Live release (it can be referenced). Instead just provide
standard OSGeo-Live Project Overview and Quickstart.<br><br> Also, I request you
make use of existing OSGeo-Live sample data rather that adding a new dataset.
This reduces disk space and helps with comparisons and integration between
applications.<br><br> --<br><br> I'm undecided on whether World Wind Web is
ready. I'd be hoping to see a specific stable version nominated for inclusion.
<br> It also seems to have a relatively new development history, so might not
have reached a stable release yet?<br><br> Would it make to bundle GeoWorldWind
and WorldWindWeb together? Or are they two stand alone applications?<br><br>
Warm regards, Cameron</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/01/2016 10:23 pm, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, I’m answering the questions referring to both
versions.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you consider including Java and Web version, I will
provide two different installation scripts. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
'Arial',sans-serif; color: #252525; background: white;">I confirm that my
contributions to OSGeo-Live will be compatible with the OSGeo-Live license
guidelines at the time of contribution</span></em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What is its name?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Nasa World Wind, composed of Go World
Wind and Web World Wind</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- What is the home page URL?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://goworldwind.org/" target="_blank">http://goworldwind.org/</a><span lang="EN-US"> and </span><a href="http://webworldwind.org/" target="_blank">http://webworldwind.org/</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Which </span><a href="http://opensource.org/licenses" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">OSI
approved Open Source Licence</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> is used?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang="EN-US">NASA OPEN
SOURCE AGREEMENT VERSION 1.3 (<a href="https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3" target="_blank">https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3</a>)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What does the application do and how
does it add value to the GeoSpatial stack of software?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">World Wind provides a rich set of
features for displaying and interacting with geographic data and representing a
wide range of geometric objects using a 3d virtual globe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Does the application make use of OGC
standards? Which versions of the standards? Client or server? You may wish to
add comments about how standards are used.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang="EN-US">Yes, it
uses on the client WMS, WFS and as GIS formats: Shapefile, KML, VPF, GML,
GeoJSON, GeoRSS, GPX, NMEA and many others to draw services on the
globe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What language is it written
in?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The Java version (goworldwind) is
written mostly in java and C++, while Web version is in Javascript</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Which version of the application should
be included in the next OSGeo-Live release?<br> World Wind Java SDK 2.0.0 and
regarding the web version, it’s updated frequently, so the latest one
available during the disk build</span> process<span lang="EN-US">.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- If risk adverse organisations have
deployed your application into production, it would imply that these
organisations have verified the stability of your software. Has the application
been rolled out to production into risk (ideally risk adverse) organisations?
Please mention some of these organisations?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">US Federal Aviation Agency (FAA), US
Department of Energy, US Air Force, Army and Navy, US State Department, US
Geological Survey, European Space Agency, Politecnico di Milano at Como, Sweden
Defence Research Agency (FOI)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What is the Open HUB URL for your
project?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/wwj" target="_blank">https://www.openhub.net/p/wwj</a><span lang="EN-US"> and <a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/WebWorldWind" target="_blank">https://www.openhub.net/p/WebWorldWind</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What is the size of the user community?
You can often answer this by mentioning downloads, or describing a healthy, busy
email list?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The US Government is our largest
‘formally recognized’ community, with well over a 100,000 users. World Wind
apps are a standard in multiple US agencies. Additionally, the European Space
Agency has standardized on WebWorldWind for delivery of spatial data. The <a href="http://www.WorldWindCentral.com" target="_blank">www.WorldWindCentral.com</a> forum has: Threads: 13,095;
Posts: 73,902; Members: 32,080; Active Members: 90</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What is the size of your developer
community?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Because applications using World Wind
are many, especially throughout the US Government, we cannot confirm the actual
size of that community but it is estimated to be in the hundreds.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Do you have a bug free, stable
release?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes, the latest stable version, 2.0.0
for the Java and the last in the website for the Web’s one.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Please discuss the level of testing
that your project has gone through.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">All versions of World Wind are tested
before each release. Additionally, feedback via the forum contribute to
identification of issues found by the open source community and these are
addressed accordingly.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-How long has the project has had mature
code.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">World Wind began as a .NET app in 2003
with some days in 2004 at SourceForge (<a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/</a>) of almost 100,000
downloads a day at ~250MB (including a base set of imagery and elevation data
for the world, the application was only a small fraction of that). The Java
version has been mature since late 200, the iOS version since 2014 and the web
version continues to mature, but has been standardized on for use by the
European Space Agency.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications
that people can use rather than libraries. Does the application have a user
interface (possibly a command line interface) that a user can interact with? (We
do make an exception for Incubated OSGeo Libraries, and will include Project
Overviews for these libraries, even if they don't have a user
interface.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes, in both version it has </span>a
<span lang="EN-US">user interface to interact with the globe, even though its
main purpose is aimed to develop new applications. It includes </span>a <span lang="EN-US">lot of examples (with the proper source code) to test all the
features using a graphical user interface.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-We give preference to OSGeo Incubated
Projects, or Projects which are presented at </span><a href="http://foss4g.org/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">FOSS4G</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> conferences. If your project
is involved in OSGeo Incubation, or has been selected to be presented at FOSS4G,
then please mention it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It was presented on different FOSS4Gs
and is also in the OSGeo wish list</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Who will act as the project's liaison
person.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Gabriele Prestifilippo</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Can you please discuss how your
application will be installed.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">About the installation for both
versions, it will use a custom script, which downloads the files, and then
copies them into a directory, from which is possible to find samples and
executables.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-OSGeo-Live is memory and disk
constrained. Can the application run in 512 Meg of RAM?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-How much disk space will be required to
install the application and a suitable example application?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The java version occupies around 300mb
with samples</span>, but might be possible to reduce the size removing some
files (documentation ~130mb )<span lang="EN-US">. While less than 20mb the Web
version</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Each OSGeo-Live application requires a
Project Overview available under a </span><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">CC By</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> and a Quickstart available
under a </span><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">CC By-SA</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> license. (You may release under a second license as well). Will
you produce this?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-In past releases, we have included
Windows and Mac installers for some applications. It is likely we won't have
space for these in future releases. However, if there is room, would you be
wishing to include Windows and/or Mac installers?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gabriele</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>From: </strong><a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com" target="_blank">Angelos
Tzotsos</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>martedì 5 gennaio 2016
18:13<br><strong>To: </strong><a href="mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gabriele Prestifilippo</a><br><strong>Cc: </strong><a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>Re:
[Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Gabriele,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for picking up this task.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For the install script, can you please provide a pull
request here:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/tree/master/bin" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/tree/master/bin</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Proposed script name: install_worldwind.sh</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also, you can issue a pull request for the documentation
here:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In order to accept the pull requests, you will need to
confirm that you will comply with our license guidelines:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Git_migration" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Git_migration</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Angelos</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br><strong>From: </strong><a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">Cameron
Shorter</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>lunedì 4 gennaio 2016
22:53<br><strong>To: </strong><a href="mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gabriele Prestifilippo</a><br><strong>Cc: </strong><a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <a href="mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov" target="_blank">Hogan, Patrick
(ARC-PX)</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project -
NASA WorldWind</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Hi Gabriele,<br> Great to
hear from you and interest in seeing NASA WorldWind on OSGeo-Live.<br><br> The
first step in including a project is to send an email to this list addressing
the questions linked from:<br><a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive</a><br><br>
This helps us determine whether a project is a good fit for OSGeo-Live, and also
consider any logistical issues which we might face (such as if there is enough
space).<br><br> I'm looking forward to working with you further on this.<br><br>
Warm regards,<br><br> Cameron (one of the OSGeo-Live coordinators)</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/01/2016 5:07 am, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote:</p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">D</span>ear all,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm writing here on behalf of Patrick Hogan's suggestion,
to propose the inclusion of NASA World Wind in the next OSGeo release (<a href="http://goworldwind.org/" target="_blank">http://goworldwind.org/</a> and
<a href="http://webworldwind.org/" target="_blank">http://webworldwind.org/</a>).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I've been asked to fulfill the requirements from the Wiki,
and I created the scripts for the project and prepared the documentations.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let me know <span lang="EN-US">what else </span>is needed
to <span lang="EN-US">proceed.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gabriele Prestifilippo </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<pre>Software and Data Solutions Manager</pre>
<pre>LISAsoft</pre>
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