<div dir="ltr">Hi Cameron,<div><br></div><div>Given that we include at least another project that uses "trunk" (for many years now) and not a released version, we cannot make this a hard requirement in my opinion</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Angelos</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
Hi Gabriele,<br>
Thanks for offering to help with reducing packaging size. That will
be helpful.<br>
<br>
I also think it would be very valuable for the version of the World
Wind Web to be installed on OSGeo-Live to be allocated a version
number. There are many reasons for this, including:<br>
1. People will be able to determine if the version of World Wind Web
they are looking at is the latest version.<br>
2. People will be able to determine if they should upgrade to a more
recent version (because they are looking at an older version)<br>
3. Developers and users will be able to align feature lists and bug
reports with specific version numbers, which will help users
determine whether to upgrade<br>
<br>
I think that defining a package version number should be a
prerequisite for including the package on OSGeo-Live. The version
number could be called "beta" so long as it is considered "stable"
by the developer and user community.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<div>On 7/01/2016 2:22 am, Gabriele
Prestifilippo wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">the Java version and the
JavaScript’s one, are two different applications, so we need
to separate them. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I understand that the
size of the Java might be a problem. I can try to work a bit
on it and delete the not strictly necessary files from the
original package, so to achieve a reasonable size. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regarding the web
version, I may ask Patrick about a tagged release, even if
now it seems to appear as ‘pre-release’ version. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Even though I want to
reassure you that in spite of being not even a beta, its
usage was growing consistently in the past two years (as you
may see from the different projects developed), and no bugs
were reported. It is tagged in this way because not all the
features available in the Java version are yet available.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Gabriele.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><br>
<b>From: </b><a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com" target="_blank">Angelos Tzotsos</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>mercoledì 6 gennaio 2016 14:32<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">Cameron Shorter</a>;
<a href="mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gabriele
Prestifilippo</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA
WorldWind</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you Gabriele for the detailed
responses.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I also strongly support the inclusion
of Nasa World Wind in OSGeoLive.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regarding the size of the
installation, I would like to try a basic installation
first (without documentation to save some space) so we
can find out how much World Wind will compress in the
iso. The next step would be to try to use the data
already present in the disk. Then we will be able to
make a decision regarding the amount of sample data that
will be needed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regarding Java vs Web version,
personally I would like to see both included. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Having a tagged release is a good
sign of stability, so I would prefer to have a tagged
version included. This would also help potential
packaging efforts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Angelos<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:24 PM,
Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks Gabriele,<br>
Based on your responses, it seems that Go World
Wind is a mature, established open source GIS
product, which is in line with the principles of
OSGeo Live.<br>
<br>
On the downsite, it appears to be a large
product, which may be a challenge to fit on
OSGeo-Live. I'd be interested to hear thoughts
from Angelos and others in that regard.<br>
<br>
The documentation does appear to be
comprehensive and I feel shouldn't be included
with the OSGeo-Live release (it can be
referenced). Instead just provide standard
OSGeo-Live Project Overview and Quickstart.<br>
<br>
Also, I request you make use of existing
OSGeo-Live sample data rather that adding a new
dataset. This reduces disk space and helps with
comparisons and integration between
applications.<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
I'm undecided on whether World Wind Web is
ready. I'd be hoping to see a specific stable
version nominated for inclusion. <br>
It also seems to have a relatively new
development history, so might not have reached a
stable release yet?<br>
<br>
Would it make to bundle GeoWorldWind and
WorldWindWeb together? Or are they two stand
alone applications?<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 6/01/2016 10:23
pm, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, I’m answering the
questions referring to both versions. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you consider
including Java and Web version, I will
provide two different installation
scripts. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525;background:white">I
confirm that my contributions to
OSGeo-Live will be compatible with the
OSGeo-Live license guidelines at the
time of contribution</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What
is its name?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Nasa
World Wind, composed of Go World Wind
and Web World Wind</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-
What is the home page URL?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://goworldwind.org/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US"></span></a><a href="http://goworldwind.org/" target="_blank">http://goworldwind.org/</a><span lang="EN-US"> and </span><a href="http://webworldwind.org/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US"></span></a><a href="http://webworldwind.org/" target="_blank">http://webworldwind.org/</a>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Which </span><a href="http://opensource.org/licenses" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">OSI
approved Open Source Licence</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> is used?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">NASA OPEN SOURCE AGREEMENT
VERSION 1.3 (<a href="https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3" target="_blank">https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3</a>)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What
does the application do and how does it
add value to the GeoSpatial stack of
software?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">World
Wind provides a rich set of features for
displaying and interacting with
geographic data and representing a wide
range of geometric objects using a 3d
virtual globe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Does
the application make use of OGC
standards? Which versions of the
standards? Client or server? You may
wish to add comments about how standards
are used.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Yes, it uses on the client
WMS, WFS and as GIS formats: Shapefile,
KML, VPF, GML, GeoJSON, GeoRSS, GPX,
NMEA and many others to draw services on
the globe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What
language is it written in?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The
Java version (goworldwind) is written
mostly in java and C++, while Web
version is in Javascript</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Which
version of the application should be
included in the next OSGeo-Live release?<br>
World Wind Java SDK 2.0.0 and regarding
the web version, it’s updated
frequently, so the latest one available
during the disk build</span> process<span lang="EN-US">.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- If
risk adverse organisations have deployed
your application into production, it
would imply that these organisations
have verified the stability of your
software. Has the application been
rolled out to production into risk
(ideally risk adverse) organisations?
Please mention some of these
organisations?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">US
Federal Aviation Agency (FAA), US
Department of Energy, US Air Force, Army
and Navy, US State Department, US
Geological Survey, European Space
Agency, Politecnico di Milano at Como,
Sweden Defence Research Agency (FOI)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What
is the Open HUB URL for your project?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/wwj" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US"></span></a><a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/wwj" target="_blank">https://www.openhub.net/p/wwj</a><span lang="EN-US"> and <a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/WebWorldWind" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/WebWorldWind" target="_blank">https://www.openhub.net/p/WebWorldWind</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What
is the size of the user community? You
can often answer this by mentioning
downloads, or describing a healthy, busy
email list?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The
US Government is our largest ‘formally
recognized’ community, with well over a
100,000 users. World Wind apps are a
standard in multiple US agencies.
Additionally, the European Space Agency
has standardized on WebWorldWind for
delivery of spatial data. The <a href="http://www.WorldWindCentral.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.WorldWindCentral.com" target="_blank">www.WorldWindCentral.com</a>
forum has: Threads: 13,095; Posts:
73,902; Members: 32,080; Active Members:
90</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-What
is the size of your developer community?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Because
applications using World Wind are many,
especially throughout the US Government,
we cannot confirm the actual size of
that community but it is estimated to be
in the hundreds.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Do
you have a bug free, stable release?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes,
the latest stable version, 2.0.0 for the
Java and the last in the website for the
Web’s one.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Please
discuss the level of testing that your
project has gone through.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">All
versions of World Wind are tested before
each release. Additionally, feedback via
the forum contribute to identification
of issues found by the open source
community and these are addressed
accordingly.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-How
long has the project has had mature
code.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">World
Wind began as a .NET app in 2003 with
some days in 2004 at SourceForge (<a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/</a>)
of almost 100,000 downloads a day at
~250MB (including a base set of imagery
and elevation data for the world, the
application was only a small fraction of
that). The Java version has been mature
since late 200, the iOS version since
2014 and the web version continues to
mature, but has been standardized on for
use by the European Space Agency.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">OSGeo-Live
is targeted at applications that people
can use rather than libraries. Does the
application have a user interface
(possibly a command line interface) that
a user can interact with? (We do make an
exception for Incubated OSGeo Libraries,
and will include Project Overviews for
these libraries, even if they don't have
a user interface.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes,
in both version it has </span>a <span lang="EN-US">user interface to interact
with the globe, even though its main
purpose is aimed to develop new
applications. It includes </span>a <span lang="EN-US">lot of examples (with the
proper source code) to test all the
features using a graphical user
interface.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-We
give preference to OSGeo Incubated
Projects, or Projects which are
presented at </span><a href="http://foss4g.org/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">FOSS4G</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> conferences. If your
project is involved in OSGeo Incubation,
or has been selected to be presented at
FOSS4G, then please mention it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It
was presented on different FOSS4Gs and
is also in the OSGeo wish list</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-
Who will act as the project's liaison
person.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Gabriele
Prestifilippo</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Can
you please discuss how your application
will be installed.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">About
the installation for both versions, it
will use a custom script, which
downloads the files, and then copies
them into a directory, from which is
possible to find samples and
executables.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-OSGeo-Live
is memory and disk constrained. Can the
application run in 512 Meg of RAM?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-How
much disk space will be required to
install the application and a suitable
example application?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The
java version occupies around 300mb with
samples</span>, but might be possible to
reduce the size removing some files
(documentation ~130mb )<span lang="EN-US">.
While less than 20mb the Web version</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-
Each OSGeo-Live application requires a
Project Overview available under a </span><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">CC By</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> and a Quickstart available
under a </span><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">CC By-SA</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> license. (You may release
under a second license as well). Will
you produce this?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-In
past releases, we have included Windows
and Mac installers for some
applications. It is likely we won't have
space for these in future releases.
However, if there is room, would you be
wishing to include Windows and/or Mac
installers?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gabriele</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com" target="_blank">Angelos Tzotsos</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>martedì 5 gennaio 2016
18:13<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gabriele Prestifilippo</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Live-demo] Submit
new project - NASA WorldWind</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Gabriele,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for picking
up this task.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For the install script,
can you please provide a pull request
here:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/tree/master/bin" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/tree/master/bin" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/tree/master/bin</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Proposed script name:
install_worldwind.sh</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also, you can issue a
pull request for the documentation here:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In order to accept the
pull requests, you will need to confirm
that you will comply with our license
guidelines:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Git_migration" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Git_migration" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Git_migration</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Angelos</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b>From: </b><a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">Cameron Shorter</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>lunedì 4 gennaio 2016
22:53<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gabriele Prestifilippo</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov" target="_blank">Hogan, Patrick
(ARC-PX)</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Live-demo] Submit
new project - NASA WorldWind</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Gabriele,<br>
Great to hear from you and interest in
seeing NASA WorldWind on OSGeo-Live.<br>
<br>
The first step in including a project is
to send an email to this list addressing
the questions linked from:<br>
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive</a><br>
<br>
This helps us determine whether a project
is a good fit for OSGeo-Live, and also
consider any logistical issues which we
might face (such as if there is enough
space).<br>
<br>
I'm looking forward to working with you
further on this.<br>
<br>
Warm regards,<br>
<br>
Cameron (one of the OSGeo-Live
coordinators)</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/01/2016 5:07 am,
Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">D</span>ear
all, </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm writing here on
behalf of Patrick Hogan's suggestion, to
propose the inclusion of NASA World Wind
in the next OSGeo release (<a href="http://goworldwind.org/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://goworldwind.org/" target="_blank">http://goworldwind.org/</a>
and <a href="http://webworldwind.org/" target="_blank">http://webworldwind.org/</a>).
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I've been asked to
fulfill the requirements from the Wiki,
and I created the scripts for the
project and prepared the documentations.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let me know <span lang="EN-US">what else </span>is
needed to <span lang="EN-US">proceed.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards, </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gabriele
Prestifilippo </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
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</p>
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<pre><a href="mailto:Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a></pre>
<pre><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo</a></pre>
<pre><a href="http://live.osgeo.org" target="_blank">http://live.osgeo.org</a></pre>
<pre><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc</a></pre>
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<pre>Software and Data Solutions Manager</pre>
<pre>LISAsoft</pre>
<pre>Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,</pre>
<pre>26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009</pre>
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<pre>P <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205000" target="_blank">+61 2 9009 5000</a>, W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205099" target="_blank">+61 2 9009 5099</a></pre>
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<pre><a href="mailto:Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a></pre>
<pre><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo</a></pre>
<pre><a href="http://live.osgeo.org" target="_blank">http://live.osgeo.org</a></pre>
<pre><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc</a></pre>
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<pre>LISAsoft</pre>
<pre>Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,</pre>
<pre>26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009</pre>
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<pre>P <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205000" target="_blank">+61 2 9009 5000</a>, W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205099" target="_blank">+61 2 9009 5099</a></pre>
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<a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo</a><br>
<a href="http://live.osgeo.org" target="_blank">http://live.osgeo.org</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
P <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205000" value="+61290095000" target="_blank">+61 2 9009 5000</a>, W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205099" value="+61290095099" target="_blank">+61 2 9009 5099</a></pre>
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