<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 9, 2016, at 5:59 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" class="">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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-1 from me for including all python notebooks on the upcoming
OSGeo-Live 9.5 release in a few days. I don't think we can make it
ready in time.<br class="">
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This is based on my preliminary review of the gsoc iso:<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://osprey.ucdavis.edu/downloads/osgeo/gisvm/gisvm/9.5nightly/osgeo-live-nightly-gsoc-amd64-c83a060.iso">http://osprey.ucdavis.edu/downloads/osgeo/gisvm/gisvm/9.5nightly/osgeo-live-nightly-gsoc-amd64-c83a060.iso</a><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>the are are several commit already after that iso</div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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I haven't done a comprehensive review, but have reviewed enough to
feel the initial user experience when looking at notebooks is close,
but is yet to meet our OSGeo-Live presentation standards.<br class="">
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My comments so far:<br class="">
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1. Quickstart review comments haven't been addressed yet, although
hopefully Massimo should have that complete soon.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>the quickstart and overview with your comments addressed:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-doc/blob/master/en/quickstart/jupyter_quickstart.rst" class="">https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-doc/blob/master/en/quickstart/jupyter_quickstart.rst</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-doc/blob/master/en/overview/jupyter_overview.rst" class="">https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-doc/blob/master/en/overview/jupyter_overview.rst</a></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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2. Structure of notebook docs directory should be by project, rather
than singled out as a GSoC directory, then by project. Long term we
want GSoC content to be part of the core OSGeo-Live offering.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>That’s a personal thought, you had 10 months to think about this.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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3. We are missing an obvious Table of Contents.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>it is here:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/blob/osgeolive/index.ipynb" class="">https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/blob/osgeolive/index.ipynb</a></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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4. I've randomly picked iris_basics.ipynb, running step 2, I get a
warning about a library being deprecated. (It still works, but this
is the sort of thing that should be cleaned up before presenting to
a new user).<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>i’m not contributing to this, but it is just a warning.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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5. There should be an introductory notebook which starts with "Press
the RUN CELL button to see the output of [In] cells”.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>it is here:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/blob/bf2fcb56480738796cf8a0e0a1a1fc5195f96e92/introduction-to-jupyter-notebook.ipynb" class="">https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/blob/bf2fcb56480738796cf8a0e0a1a1fc5195f96e92/introduction-to-jupyter-notebook.ipynb</a></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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6.1 I've found a number of spelling and grammar errors in the first
GSoC notebook I reviewed. Nothing major, but they should be
identified and cleaned up all the same.<br class="">
For example, this is the first paragraph of the GDAL/OGR Quickstart
(which is the first Docbook I looked at):<br class="">
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<i class="">"The first Notebook is dedicared [SPELLING] to the use of the
Geospatial Data Abstraction Library GDAL [USE BRACES AROUND FIRST
USE OF CAPITALS] from the bash command line. GDAL is a powerful
translator library for raster and vector geospatial data formats
[INSERT FULL STOP] it presents a single raster abstract data model
and vector abstract data model to the calling application for all
supported formats.”</i></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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6.2 In the same notebook, I found:<br class="">
<i class="">"#unfinished - need to add ogr2ogr features yet, I'm considering
to split this notebook in 2 parts (one for gdal and one for
ogr2ogr) i'll study the gdal tutorial released recently"</i><br class="">
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Massimo notes that he is fixing this, but my point is that I'm
assuming that if reviewed, similar issues would be found in other
notebooks.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>they are fixed:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/blob/osgeolive/GSoC-2015/Access to Geospatial data/GDAL-OGR Quickstart.ipynb" class="">https://github.com/epifanio/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/blob/osgeolive/GSoC-2015/Access%20to%20Geospatial%20data/GDAL-OGR%20Quickstart.ipynb</a></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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7. The term "IPython" and "Jupyter" is used interchangeably, which
would be confusing for a new user, and I'd be interested to
understand if is technically incorrect?<br class="">
<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>where? </div><div>if you refer to the the code, that’s normal ipython is part of jupyter.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
8. Quantity of material to review and short time period. We have
days left before the our final release candidate is due, and
multiple notebooks (say 20+ ?) which I suggest need review to get to
same level of review as Project Overviews and Quoickstarts.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>the GSoC notebooks have been reviewed, </div><div>you’re finding typos ok, my apology … as a non native speaker</div><div>but again, you had 10 months to think about this</div><div><br class=""></div><div>if you find more, i’m open to fix them ASAP</div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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9. Also on quantity of material, we are introducing a maintenance
load for future OSGeo-Live releases, and we are as yet to build up a
community of volunteers willing to maintain these notebooks. Massimo
and Brian have been doing a great job creating these notebooks, but
are already under time pressure to update for this release, let
alone future releases. I think we need to reach out to all projects
with the offer of:<br class="">
"A notebook has been created for your project. If you are prepared
to review it now, and commit to verifying it is still valid before
each OSGeo-Live release, then we will include the notebook on
OSGeo-Live.”</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>As per the GSoC notebooks, I think I’m demonstrating that you should not worry about their maintenance.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I addressed your comment, I can’t speak for the notebooks under the projects directory.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>My recommendation is:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>we can rename the GSoC-2015 directory .. perhaps with the name of the idea itself which is:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Open Source Geospatial Notebooks.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>then if you have concerns about the “projects" directory, we can comment it out from the table of contents and leave it on disc.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>note the quick start and overview they both uses the GSoC material, so they will not be affected.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">
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So my recommendation is to either:<br class="">
A. Include Notebooks on next OSGeo-Live 9.5, but remove reference to
it from main docs. (My preference at this point)<br class="">
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B. Include ONE Jupyter notebook example which can be found from main
docs, which we make sure is well reviewed. All the remainder of
Notebooks to be hidden. (This will likely be a messy solution, as
we'd probably need to move directories around so they are hard to
find for a new user).<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/03/2016 11:44 pm, massimo di
stefano wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">To All,</div>
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<div class="">during the last 2 years I worked in having the
python software ecosystem included in the OSGeo-Live.</div>
<div class="">The PR proposed below [1] is a first step towards
the official inclusion of this work into the project.</div>
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<div class="">As you may have noticed from previous e-email [2]
there isn’t a clear agreement on the decision to take.</div>
<div class="">We had an IRC discussion (logs [3]) with an initial
motion to merge the notebook PR.</div>
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<div class=""><span style="color: rgb(38, 50, 56); font-family:
arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; widows: 1;" class="">I
would like to have a voting started here on the mailing.</span></div>
<div class="">this is mine:</div>
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<div class="">Thanks,</div>
<div class="">Massimo.</div>
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[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/pull/5" class="">https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-Notebooks/pull/5</a>
<div class="">[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2016-March/011010.html" class="">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2016-March/011010.html</a></div>
<div class="">[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/#osgeolive.2016-03-07.log" class="">http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeolive/%23osgeolive.2016-03-07.log</a></div>
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