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    <p>I'm taking the following conversation public - with Dane's
      permission.</p>
    <p>As per below, Dane is suggesting there are not volunteers
      available to manage Mapnik's presence on OSGeo-Live, and as such
      is suggesting it is a candidate for retiring.</p>
    <p>From the Project Overview [1]<br>
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      "Mapnik is a toolkit for rendering beautiful maps, with clean,
      soft feature edges provided by quality anti-aliasing graphics,
      intelligent label placement, and scalable, SVG symbolisation. Most
      famously, mapnik is used to render the OpenStreetMap main map
      layers."</p>
    <p>Metrics for the project look reasonably healthy. [2]<br>
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    <p>The Quickstart could do with some cleaning up.<br>
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    <p>Am I right in understanding that Mapnik would be considered a
      "library" and as we are refocusing on user applications, Mapnik
      might be a candidate for retiring on that basis as well?</p>
    <p>Comments welcomed.<br>
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    <p>[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/mapnik_overview.html">https://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/mapnik_overview.html</a><br>
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    [2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html">https://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/5/17 10:49 am, Dane Springmeyer
      wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/5/17 9:47 am, Dane Springmeyer
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        Cameron,
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        <div class="">Yes, there are a few of us working on Mapnik still
          (me included). But we don't have time to work on packaging or
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        <div class="">Because I am the individual that added Mapnik to
          osgeo-live originally I would prefer you remove it.</div>
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        <div class="">Dane</div>
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              <div class="">On May 10, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Cameron Shorter
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                  href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" class="">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
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                  <p class="">Hi Dane,</p>
                  <p class="">Thanks for your help with mapnik to date.</p>
                  <p class="">What is your assessment of the current
                    community behind mapnik? Are there people working on
                    it? If so, who would you recommend we reach out to?</p>
                  <p class="">Thanks Cameron<br class="">
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/5/17 7:34 am,
                    Astrid Emde wrote:<br class="">
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                          <div class="">Hi Dane,<br class="">
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                          thanks for your answer.<br class="">
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                        We try to find another person to look after
                        Mapnik. Thanks a lot for your help with
                        OSGeo-Live.<br class="">
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 10, 2017 at
                        11:09 PM, Dane Springmeyer <span dir="ltr"
                          class=""><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:blake@hailmail.net"
                            target="_blank" class="">blake@hailmail.net</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br class="">
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                          solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Astrid,<br class="">
                          <br class="">
                          I am no longer active with the osgeo-love
                          project. Can you please offer up Mapnik
                          maintenance to a different person involved
                          with osgeo-live? If you cannot find a
                          maintainer then you have my permission to
                          remove mapnik from the distribution.<br
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                          <span class="HOEnZb"><font class=""
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                              Dane<br class="">
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                          <div class="HOEnZb">
                            <div class="h5"><br class="">
                              > On May 10, 2017, at 1:21 PM, <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:astroidex@gmail.com"
                                class="">astroidex@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br
                                class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > Hi Dane,<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > we have started our build cycle for
                              OSGeo-Live 11.0, due to be released at the
                              end of July 2017, in time for FOSS4G 2017
                              in August.<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > We are interested to know which
                              version of mapnik should be installed on
                              OSGeo-Live 11.0?<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > Version 3.0.11 was installed on
                              OSGeo-Live 10.5.<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > Note that our installer feature
                              freeze is 5. June 2017!<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > Please give us feedback and get
                              involved or provide a different person as
                              contact person, which will update your
                              project.<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > We are asking all OSGeo-Live projects
                              to let us know:<br class="">
                              > 1. What versions of projects should
                              be on OSGeo-Live?<br class="">
                              > 2. Are there any new projects which
                              should be on OSGeo-Live?<br class="">
                              > 3. Are there any projects which
                              should be dropped from OSGeo-Live?<br
                                class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > Do you think we should drop mapnik
                              from OSGeo-Live?<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > As per last announcement [1], with
                              our next OSGeo-Live release we intend to
                              focus on quality, and as such will be
                              asking each project:<br class="">
                              > 1. To help install the latest stable
                              version of the software.<br class="">
                              > 2. To verify Project Overview and
                              Quickstarts are both up to date and in
                              line with our documentation standards.<br
                                class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > You can see results of our first pass
                              review in our status spreadsheet [2],
                              column T "11.0 comment", and column U
                              "10.0 Doc Review".<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_75"
                                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                class="">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/<wbr
                                  class="">Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_75</a><br
                                class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > [2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMlM8XtAOhUgcjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=2014800150"
                                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                class="">https://docs.google.com/<wbr
                                  class="">spreadsheets/d/<wbr class="">1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMlM8XtAOhUg<wbr
                                  class="">cjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#<wbr
                                  class="">gid=2014800150</a><br
                                class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > Key Milestones<br class="">
                              > -------------------<br class="">
                              > 15-May-2017 Decide versions of
                              applications to be installed on OSGeo-Live<br
                                class="">
                              > 22-May-2017 Draft installers for new
                              applications complete<br class="">
                              >  5-Jun-2017   OSGeo-Live Feature
                              Freeze (final application versions
                              installed)<br class="">
                              > 19-Jun-2017  OSGeo-Live delivered to
                              UAT (final application versions installed
                              - Beta stage)<br class="">
                              > 24-Jul-2017   OSGeo-Live Final ISO<br
                                class="">
                              > 14-Aug-2017 FOSS4G 2017 Boston<br
                                class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > ... full schedule <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB"
                                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                class="">http://spreadsheets.google.<wbr
                                  class="">com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_<wbr
                                  class="">RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNc<wbr
                                  class="">lE&hl=en_GB</a><br
                                class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > We are waiting for your response
                              concerning your project mapnik. Any
                              questions, please ask via the OSGeo-Live
                              mailing list (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:live-demo@lists.osgeo.org"
                                class="">live-demo@lists.osgeo.org</a>)
                              or directly.<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > Warm regards,<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > Astrid<br class="">
                              > --<br class="">
                              > Astrid Emde<br class="">
                              > Charter Member<br class="">
                              > Open Source Geospatial Foundation<br
                                class="">
                              > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Astrid_Emde"
                                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                class="">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/<wbr
                                  class="">User:Astrid_Emde</a><br
                                class="">
                              ><br class="">
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