<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Technically, I suspect it would be relatively easy to convert the OSGeoLive VM image into the formats accepted by various cloud providers.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My main concern is that historically OSGeoLive has been setup prioritizing ease of use on a single user machine to let a new user explore and learn the software with as few hurdles as possible. This seems in fundamental conflict with best practices for putting a server on the open internet (in the cloud or otherwise). <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For example, we have easily guessable and well documented passwords, generally permissive permissions in applications and on the filesystem, unrestrictive firewall, way more than the minimum software installed than is needed for any given task (increasing attack surface area), ...<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think we would need to put some serious thought into how to secure an OSGeoLive cloud image and what that might mean for usability.</div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 20:04 Brian M Hamlin <<a href="mailto:maplabs@light42.com">maplabs@light42.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0">Hi All --</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">> <span style="background-color:#ffffff">creating a "OSGeoLive in the Cloud" instance</span></p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> It might be said that OSGeoLive is ...</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">- a flagship for OSGeo dot org</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">- a proof-of-work for UbuntuGIS
integration</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">- a service to all of the member software
projects, incubated or others</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> literally multiplying the leverage of
interoperable data toolchains when combined</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">- a service to all of the science communities
worldwide, in all major human languages</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">- a service to students of all kinds, in all
places touched by technology</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> ... others not mentioned</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">So, what might a "cloud" OSGeoLive be ?
news flash, many long-standing projects now</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">included on OSGeoLive are quite active in the
cloud and continue to be..</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">Major cloud players say - Ubuntu OS is the
most popular cloud service OS by number of customers</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">OSGeoLive is already an Ubuntu platform
project. so ....</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">companies handling geospatial data chains are
already using directly, UbuntuGIS PPA to build...</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">Some.. but another fact .. Docker technology
easily runs Ubuntu PPA systems on a RedHat base, today.</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">The Docker container shares the kernel only
with the host, while the rest of the OS layers are Debian/Ubuntu.</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">Is there an economic arguement to be made,
with respect to a "cloud" OSGeoLive ?</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">I find many economic arguements to be badly
self-contradicting, when viewed broadly.. </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">The OSGeoLive project has continuity and
serious utility.. beyond that, opinions vary widely..</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0">Is a "cloud" OSGeoLive the right move ? with
what resources ? open questions</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> best regards from Berkeley, California</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> -Brian M Hamlin darkblue_b dbb</p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"> </p>
<p style="margin:0;padding:0"><br>On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:23:28 +1100,
Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #000000;padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px">I'm really hopeful that
we'll see some people follow through with <br> creating a "OSGeoLive in the
Cloud" instance which could be spun up and <br> used during training sessions.
(This could be a great Google Season of <br> Code topic). I think this could be
done with free developer AWS <br> instances, but it would be good to have access
to budget if required to <br> support a first deployment.<br><br> Also, it would
be good to have discretionary funding to pay for <br> OSGeoLive USBs for
conferences that ask for it during the year. Maybe do <br> a print run of 500 to
1000 USBs (That would be 50 to 100 USBs at an <br> OSGeo table at a
conference/workshop/code sprint, for 10 to 20 events).<br><br> On 13/1/19 3:11
am, Astrid Emde (OSGeo) wrote:<br> > Hello folks,<br> ><br> > yes - it
is time to think about the budget for 2019.<br> ><br><br> -- <br> Cameron
Shorter<br> ...<br><br>
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<p><br> --<br>Brian M Hamlin<br> OSGeo California<br> <a href="http://blog.light42.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">blog.light42.com</a><br></p>
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