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This is getting off topic, but running x86 operating systems on
non-x86 Macs isn't a new thing to long time Apple users.<br>
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There were multiple software options for both 68k Macs (eg. SoftPC)
as well as PowerPC Macs (eg. SoftWindows/VirtualPC) to allow this.
Of course, the emulation was slower than running native in a VM, but
it was for the most part usable. (There were also several hardware
solutions going back to the Apple IIe with several CP/M Z-80 cards,
there was a Mac286 card available for the Mac II series, and the
"DOS Compatible" version of the PowerMac 6100 had a 486 card in it,
and probably more I don't know about. And of course, one of the
features Apple claimed of their x86 Macs was the ability to run
other x86 operating systems natively using Bootcamp.)<br>
<br>
There are also FOSS projects (available at least on Linux) which
allow running x86 operating systems on non-x86 machines (QEMU and
Bochs come to mind). QEMU also has long supported user mode
emulation on Linux which allows running any architecture Linux
binaries as if it was a native binary on any architecture Linux
system.<br>
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What surprises me is, given this very long (35+ year) and continuous
history of users needing at least some capability to run x86
operating systems on their Apple hardware, that Apple and the
surrounding ecosystem have ignored this need with the Apple's
transition to ARM.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/7/22 09:45, Kobben, Barend
(UT-ITC) wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Nope, that is a shame. Parallels (the VM host)
won’t even install the hosted system (be it Li/Unix or
Windows) if it is not ARM-based :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">So I can install an ARM-based Ubuntu, but not
the LIVE OSGEO Lubuntu...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">See, in the link you sent: “</span><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What
can’t Rosetta 2 translate?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rosetta
cannot translate kernel extensions or Virtual Machine apps
that virtualize x86_64 computer platforms. Developers should
be aware that Rosetta is also unable to translate AVX, AVX2,
and AVX512 vector instructions. </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">Barend
Köbben<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 07/02/2022,
15:46, "Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)" <<a
href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0" lang="EN-US">Is
Apple Rosetta 2 able to handle the Intel side?
<a
href="https://www.computerworld.com/article/3597949/everything-you-need-to-know-about-rosetta-2-on-apple-silicon-macs.html"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0" lang="EN-US">Bobb<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#00B0F0" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0"
lang="EN-US">My machine - - - PW19-S295-C024<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> osgeolive
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:osgeolive-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><osgeolive-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kobben, Barend (UT-ITC)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 7, 2022 3:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Angelos Tzotsos
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com"><gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osgeolive@lists.osgeo.org">osgeolive@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeoLive] Will there be an ARM
version of the osgeo live?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"
lang="EN-US">That is a real pity, as it will mean losing
all Apple users in the coming years :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Barend Köbben<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 05/02/2022,
11:06, "osgeolive on behalf of Angelos Tzotsos" <<a
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on behalf of
<a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Barend,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We do not have an
ARM version. This would require more developer
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">resources than we
currently have, so there is currently no plan to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">support this
architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Angelos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 2/2/22 01:24,
Kobben, Barend (UT-ITC) wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For installation
in the Parallels virtual machine on a new MacPro
(running on the Apple silicon architecture), an ARM
version instead of an Intel version is needed. Is
that available, or will in be...? Or are there
alternative ways to get it running on a Mac M1...?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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