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    I don't have a M1 Mac to test with, but it looks like someone else
    has x86-64 Ubuntu running under macOS on M1 with qemu [1].  It
    appears they had to build qemu from source to get a ARM native build
    because the packaged version (Homebrew) was a x86 build running in
    Rosetta (the article is a year old, maybe this has changed).  Having
    ARM emulate x86 emulating x86 seems like a bad idea.<br>
    <font face="monospace"><span></span></font><br>
    I can run OSGeo Live 14 on my 4GB Raspberry Pi 4B running 64-bit
    Raspberry PI OS using the system supplied qemu-system-x86_64 [2]. 
    It is not fast, but neither is the Pi.  The same command runs
    reasonably well on my 4 year old Linux desktop (and with KVM enabled
    it is extremely fast).  Based on what I've heard about the
    performance of the M1, I'd expect it would probably handle it OK.<br>
    <br>
    My conclusion is running the existing OSGeo Live VM on an M1 Mac is
    likely more involved than we can expect the average user to
    undertake at the moment, but it seems like it should be possible as
    all the building blocks appear to exist.  However, I don't have the
    hardware (or time currently) to explore this further and figure out
    how to clearly document and package this. <br>
    <br>
    I'm not suggesting that this is something that should be pursued. 
    Like the prospect of maintaining an ARM version of OSGeo Live, this
    is also likely much more of an ongoing time commitment related to
    documentation, testing, and answering questions than it is a
    technical challenge of making it work.  If there is a ready made ARM
    native QEMU package (or some other x86 emulator) available for macOS
    that was already being maintained, running the existing OSGeo Live
    VM on an M1 Mac would be much more feasible.<br>
    <br>
    [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1473419">https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1473419</a><br>
    <br>
    [2] qemu-system-x86_64 -machine type=q35 --accel tcg,thread=multi
    -cpu qemu64 -smp 4 -drive
    file=osgeolive-14.0-amd64.qcow2,cache=none,if=virtio,aio=native -net
    nic,model=virtio -net user -device virtio-vga -display
    default,show-cursor=on -device intel-hda -device hda-duplex -m 2048
    -device qemu-xhci -device usb-kbd -device usb-tablet<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/8/22 14:37, Jim Klassen wrote:<br>
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      This is getting off topic, but running x86 operating systems on
      non-x86 Macs isn't a new thing to long time Apple users.<br>
      <br>
      There were multiple software options for both 68k Macs (eg.
      SoftPC) as well as PowerPC Macs (eg. SoftWindows/VirtualPC) to
      allow this.  Of course, the emulation was slower than running
      native in a VM, but it was for the most part usable.  (There were
      also several hardware solutions going back to the Apple IIe with
      several CP/M Z-80 cards, there was a Mac286 card available for the
      Mac II series, and the "DOS Compatible" version of the PowerMac
      6100 had a 486 card in it, and probably more I don't know about. 
      And of course, one of the features Apple claimed of their x86 Macs
      was the ability to run other x86 operating systems natively using
      Bootcamp.)<br>
      <br>
      There are also FOSS projects (available at least on Linux) which
      allow running x86 operating systems on non-x86 machines (QEMU and
      Bochs come to mind).  QEMU also has long supported user mode
      emulation on Linux which allows running any architecture Linux
      binaries as if it was a native binary on any architecture Linux
      system.<br>
      <br>
      What surprises me is, given this very long (35+ year) and
      continuous history of users needing at least some capability to
      run x86 operating systems on their Apple hardware, that Apple and
      the surrounding ecosystem have ignored this need with the Apple's
      transition to ARM.<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/7/22 09:45, Kobben, Barend
        (UT-ITC) wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Nope, that is a shame. Parallels (the VM
              host)  won’t even install the hosted system (be it Li/Unix
              or Windows) if it is not ARM-based :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">So I can install an ARM-based Ubuntu, but not
              the LIVE OSGEO Lubuntu...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">See, in the link you sent: “</span><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What
                can’t Rosetta 2 translate?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rosetta
              cannot translate kernel extensions or Virtual Machine apps
              that virtualize x86_64 computer platforms. Developers
              should be aware that Rosetta is also unable to translate
              AVX, AVX2, and AVX512 vector instructions. </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                    style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">-- <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                    style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">Barend
                    Köbben<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 07/02/2022,
                  15:46, "Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)" <<a
                    href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>>
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0"
                lang="EN-US">Is Apple Rosetta 2 able to handle the Intel
                side?  <a
href="https://www.computerworld.com/article/3597949/everything-you-need-to-know-about-rosetta-2-on-apple-silicon-macs.html"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3597949/everything-you-need-to-know-about-rosetta-2-on-apple-silicon-macs.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0"
                lang="EN-US">Bobb<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#00B0F0"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0"
                  lang="EN-US">My machine - - - PW19-S295-C024<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#00B0F0"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    lang="EN-US"> osgeolive <a
                      class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                      href="mailto:osgeolive-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><osgeolive-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a>
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kobben, Barend (UT-ITC)<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 7, 2022 3:34 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Angelos Tzotsos <a
                      class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                      href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com></a>;
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated
                      moz-txt-link-freetext"
                      href="mailto:osgeolive@lists.osgeo.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">osgeolive@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeoLive] Will there be an ARM
                    version of the osgeo live?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                          style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#FF3333">Think
                          Before You Click: </span></strong><span
                        style="color:#FF3333">This email originated <strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">outside </span></strong>our
                        organization.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"
                  lang="EN-US">Dear Angelos,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"
                  lang="EN-US">That is a real pity, as it will mean
                  losing all Apple users in the coming years :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"
                  lang="EN-US">yours<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                        style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black"
                        lang="EN-US">-- <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                        style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black"
                        lang="EN-US">Barend Köbben<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 05/02/2022,
                      11:06, "osgeolive on behalf of Angelos Tzotsos"
                      <<a
                        href="mailto:osgeolive-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">osgeolive-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
                      on behalf of <a
                        href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Barend,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We do not have
                    an ARM version. This would require more developer <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">resources than
                    we currently have, so there is currently no plan to
                    <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">support this
                    architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Angelos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 2/2/22 01:24,
                    Kobben, Barend (UT-ITC) wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For
                      installation in the Parallels virtual machine on a
                      new MacPro (running on the Apple silicon
                      architecture), an ARM version instead of an Intel
                      version is needed. Is that available, or will in
                      be...? Or are there alternative ways to get it
                      running on a Mac M1...?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Barend Köbben<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Senior
                      Lecturer – ITC-GIP & ATLAS, University Twente<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">PO Box 217,
                      7500 AE Enschede (The Netherlands)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">+31-(0)53 4874
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Angelos Tzotsos,
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Open Source
                    Geospatial Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      href="http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos"
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