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<p> I had a very brief exchange with the Director [0] of the Oregon
State University Open Source Labs today (where OSGeo servers are
located, among many others). The topic of remote VMs was
mentioned,</p>
<p> Q. What is the difference between a "cloud image" and install
media ?</p>
<p> A. something like this:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/">https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/</a><br>
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<p> for us i'd be ideal to have an qcow2 image that has
cloud-init installed/configured and kvm working as guest</p>
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<p>[0] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://osuosl.org/about/people/">https://osuosl.org/about/people/</a> Lance Albertson<br>
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<p> best regards from Berkeley, Calif --Brian M Hamlin /
MAPLABS /<br>
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<p>Hi Cameron -</p>
<p> thank you for bringing this up -- I have written extensively
in IRC chat on this topic at least twice since 2009. The
technical details are not that difficult, but not easy to list
exhaustively without some effort. More from a marketing and
user-advocate point of view, I think that it can be summed up
very well, as follows:</p>
<p> the osgeolive QGis stack, all the plugins and associated
services, connected in a functional way, can be thought of as a
graph.</p>
<p> similarly, all the web-facing services, all the plugins and
associated services, connected with their dependancies in terms
of the dot-deb or installer script that installs them, can also
be thought of as a graph</p>
<p> the difference between those two graphs.. what is ONLY in one
graph versus what is ONLY in the other graph, are in fact, a
very decent first aproximation of the difference between the
osgeolive that we ship now, versus what a "cloud" osgeolive
would be</p>
<p> I believe Angelos knows this very well, and I welcome input
or repudiation, from any community member</p>
<p> thank you and best regards from Berkeley, Calif --Brian M
Hamlin / MAPLABS /</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Something which is getting more-and-more feasible
every year is to run OSGeo-Live as a virtual machine in the
cloud.
<div><a
href="http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2009/10/try-open-source-geospatial-desktop.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">We actually managed to do this back
in 2009</a>, but the partners working on it got stuck in
the following release.</div>
<div>Someone might want to take another look at this
approach? </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 at 01:47,
James Klassen <<a href="mailto:jklassen@sharedgeo.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">jklassen@sharedgeo.org</a>>
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<div dir="auto">There was discussion awhile back about
supporting ARM for Raspberry Pi and similar SBCs that
came to the same conclusion that it would take more
developer resources that were available. </div>
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<div dir="auto"><span
style="border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">OSGeo
Live is meant to “just work” </span><span
style="border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">to
encourage new users explore the software without
having to first face the learning curve of getting
it installed and configured correctly. That is a
lot more difficult to accomplish when users face to
face the variations inherent in running different
architectures. </span><br>
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<div dir="auto">Most, but not all of the packages that
go into OSGeo Live are available on ARM (are in
Ubuntu-GIS and Debian-GIS or are platform agnostic and
install the same files as on x86). So, technically it
isn’t too far fetched. But, if I remember correctly,
pain points are testing and documentation. I’d
venture a guess that, by far, nearly all of the
developer time on OSGeo Live is spent on testing and
documentation.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Another issue with ARM is that while the
user space is the same/similar across ARM devices, a
bootable image (like we do with x86) would have to be
tailored to each device. Maybe there would be a way
to just provide a user space and have the user provide
the matching version of Ubuntu for their machine.
Maybe the whole thing could be built into a snap or
flatpak or appimage. It would still be a different
experience than we’ve traditionally had for x86 which
raises documentation and ease of use concerns. </div>
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<div dir="auto">I’m also a bit surprised the M1 Macs
can’t run x86 OSes in emulation. There were programs
that emulated a PC to allow 68k and PowerPC era Macs
to run DOS/Windows.</div>
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<div dir="auto">On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 04:06 Angelos
Tzotsos <<a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com</a>>
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We do not have an ARM version. This would require
more developer <br>
resources than we currently have, so there is
currently no plan to <br>
support this architecture.<br>
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Best,<br>
Angelos<br>
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On 2/2/22 01:24, Kobben, Barend (UT-ITC) wrote:<br>
> For installation in the Parallels virtual
machine on a new MacPro (running on the Apple
silicon architecture), an ARM version instead of
an Intel version is needed. Is that available, or
will in be...? Or are there alternative ways to
get it running on a Mac M1...?<br>
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> --<br>
> Barend Köbben<br>
> Senior Lecturer – ITC-GIP & ATLAS,
University Twente<br>
> PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (The
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