[Oskari-user] Discussion channels for Oskari

Mon Sep 10 00:22:57 PDT 2018

Hi!

My vote goes for continuing the use of Slack, but I’ll be happy to use Gitter as well if that gets more votes! We’ve already configured a bunch of integrations to Slack and “it looks nice”. Then again I haven’t tried Gitter yet.

And about email lists, I’m currently happy with having only one. The volume of messages is still rather low and I don’t see the “mixing of topics” being a problem at least yet. Plus messages that come on a list are always easily ignored when one notices it’s something that doesn’t concern her/him.

Cheers,
Timo

From: Oskari-user [mailto:oskari-user-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mäkinen Sami (MML)
Sent: 6. syyskuuta 2018 14:08
To: Sanna Jokela <sanna at gispo.fi>
Cc: oskari-user at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Oskari-user] Discussion channels for Oskari

There’s an iOS app for Gitter. It just has the black ribbons on top and bottom (== no iPhone X support) :) Looks like we can have GitHub notifications on Gitter as well and probably also notifications from Travis. So I’m ok with testing it and currently have notifications enabled for _all_ the platforms… but would be nice to have others pitch in. I guess if we start seeing new users in the Gitter chat it’s a sign that people are interested to at least take it for a spin.

           Sami

Lähettäjä: Sanna Jokela [mailto:sanna at gispo.fi]
Lähetetty: 6. syyskuuta 2018 13:49
Vastaanottaja: Mäkinen Sami (MML) <sami.makinen at maanmittauslaitos.fi<mailto:sami.makinen at maanmittauslaitos.fi>>
Kopio: oskari-user at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:oskari-user at lists.osgeo.org>
Aihe: Re: [Oskari-user] Discussion channels for Oskari

Hi again, sorry for spamming!

Tested Gitter with Sami: https://gitter.im/oskariorg/chat

And it is quite ok, but has some issues in the mobile side as said (no edit-possibility on android and Sami said that iphone x did not have mobile app). Other wise it was suitable for normal instant messaging. And everybody can see the chats without signing in.

It seems that the Slack-discussion has now ceased after NLS-FI own projects started to use Rocketchat (along with Oskari PSC & Joint Development Forum). The summer time might be also an issue, but I think it is due to having two different channels (people don't know what channels to use). But still the total silence in Slack is quite odd, since there are other people also involved in Slack than NLS-FI personell :)

What does the Oskari Community you want to do?

a) Abandon Slack and start using Gitter for open fast discussion, you can test it here: https://gitter.im/oskariorg/chat
b) Continue using Slack and #codecorner channel, but automate the registration process: https://oskari.slack.com/messages/C0268FWEQ/

I'll ask this also through Slack.

Br,
Sanna

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 at 10:47, Sanna Jokela <sanna at gispo.fi<mailto:sanna at gispo.fi>> wrote:
Thank you Sami!

GeoNode has two mailing lists: for users and developers, it could be useful also for Oskari.

Also service discussion / feedback ofcourse should be directed to the service providers own channels.

But if something is relevant to all Oskari users, I think it should be put also here (if one can remember).

Maybe the problem with Slack is now that when the Rocketchat was taken in use for projects (mainly inside NLS-FI) users do not know what service to use - I for one did not.

I can test Gitter if you like - I haven't used it before. I'll report here.

Br,
Sanna

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 at 10:30, Mäkinen Sami (MML) <sami.makinen at maanmittauslaitos.fi<mailto:sami.makinen at maanmittauslaitos.fi>> wrote:

Hi,

From my perspective the discussions are mostly direct messages/emails for support and when there's some clear issue it has been posted as a GitHub issue directly. Some discussions have migrated to NLS Rocket chat as many in the community have accounts there as well and it's easier to use one platform instead of hopping between apps (imagine messaging with the same person but sending every other message through FB messenger and every other through LinkedIn). That being said it's a problem for new users that don't have the history and are only there because of Oskari.

In my opinion there's also a challenge in understanding if something is related to Oskari as software OR related to the service that's providing for example an embedded map functionality using Oskari OR related to something like map tiles not loading or search not giving results (usually not Oskari related, but an issue in the search backend that the Oskari-powered service is using to provide search-functionality). So it's also easier to ask in a chat that has both the Oskari software people AND the people that's offering the Oskari-powered service (and also some of the people providing the SDI services). So that's the problem as I see it (+ a few language barriers). As for how to "fix" it so Oskari could have it's "own" community... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe we could move some of the Oskari related stuff back to Slack/Gitter from NLS rocket chat and try to get the service providers there as well for answering questions not directly concerning Oskari as a software.

I tested Gitter a year or two ago and the mobile app was abysmal at that time compared to what we had on Slack and the desktop experience wasn't really any better in my opinion. So there's been a oskariorg-chat in https://gitter.im/oskariorg for some time already. Now that I logged in I can see there's a couple of PSC members in there as well, but I don't think there has been a single message sent through Gitter in the oskariorg "rooms/channels/conversations" ever :)

There's a bunch of tools that allow Slack invites to be automated so that's something I'd like to advance. So we could set up an autoinvite funtionality in oskari.org<http://oskari.org>. But if the majority want's to use Gitter I'm ok with that as well. Maybe they've even improved the functionality or atleast you can now sign in with twitter as well and not just GitHub credentials (that was an issue back in the day since most of the non-developer community didn't have GitHub accounts).

       Sami

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Lähettäjä: Oskari-user <oskari-user-bounces at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:oskari-user-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> käyttäjän puolestaSanna Jokela <sanna at gispo.fi<mailto:sanna at gispo.fi>>
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Aihe: Re: [Oskari-user] Discussion channels for Oskari

And another thing - Slack has now last messages in #codecorner form June 15th? Where has all the discussion gone :D

-Sanna

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 at 09:00, Sanna Jokela <sanna at gispo.fi<mailto:sanna at gispo.fi>> wrote:
Hi!

OSGeo incubation committee has been worried about activity levels in Oskari's community and that the communication is not that open (and this user-list has not been used a lot - one reason being that all the discussion is in Slack and between developers the other being that people haven't even registered here), so I started to think how the OTHERS are doing it :)

All communication should be diverted here and I'm working on it to bring this email-list more visible for Oskari users, but since email is email, we have also instant messaging services.

I noticed that GeoNode is using Gitter instead of Slack for instant messaging and this is open for all - have we had any discussion about Gitter-use? Have you used it? Should we use it?  https://gitter.im/

It says in Gitter pages that:
"Let your community be discovered! With Gitter, everyone can find your community in our directory and via search engines."

The problem with Slack is that it is not open as such, although we are not preventing anybody to join in.

This was just a thought, please fill me in if there is some obstacles in this thought line :)

Br,

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