<div dir="ltr"><div>I want to roll back what I said in my latest email because Howard pointed out something I read but it didn't sink in.</div><div>There is a conda installed in ArcGIS. I don't have to uninstall and reinstall a couple softwares.</div><div>I have a question though, since both Howard and Adam recommend using a virtual environment. Since the conda is under ArcGIS, the myenv will be created under the ArcGIS umbrella, no? I read PDAL write up on this <a href="https://pdal.io/quickstart.html#install-conda">https://pdal.io/quickstart.html#install-conda</a></div><div><br></div><div>Is this the way to go? <br></div><div>Thanks, there is a silver lining in this afterall.</div><div><br></div><div>Samanthja<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:32 AM Howard Butler <<a href="mailto:howard@hobu.co">howard@hobu.co</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">A few additional points:<div><br></div><div>* If you don't need Anaconda, use the Miniconda installer.</div><div>* ArcGIS has a Conda environment that can be used</div><div>* <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Adam's advice is spot-on. Create new environments for different activities or projects and don't use pip unless you have to.</span><br><div><br></div><div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>If PDAL can only be installed with conda, and there's no alternative, then I will uninstall Python3.8 and try conda all over again.</div></div></blockquote><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">There are plenty of alternatives, it's just that they're all likely to be much harder than installing and using PDAL via Conda, especially on Windows.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 24, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Michael Smith <<a href="mailto:michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com" target="_blank">michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Samantha,<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Conda is just one method. But you can install pdal under python 3.8 on conda<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 3pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(29,28,29)">conda create –name pdal3.8<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 3pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(29,28,29)">conda config --add channels conda-forge<br>conda install python=3.8 pdal -y<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 3pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:rgb(29,28,29)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 3pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29)">Each conda environment is separate so you can have python3.7 or 3.8 or whatever environment.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 3pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 3pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29)">Mike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 3pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">-- <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Michael Smith<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">US Army Corps of Engineers<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Remote Sensing/GIS Center<u></u><u></u></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 3pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(29,28,29)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:12pt">From:<span> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt">pdal <<a href="mailto:pdal-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">pdal-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>> on behalf of Samantha Lee <<a href="mailto:slee63@ncsu.edu" target="_blank">slee63@ncsu.edu</a>><br><b>Date:<span> </span></b>Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:54 AM<br><b>To:<span> </span></b>adam steer <<a href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com" target="_blank">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span> </span></b>pdal <<a href="mailto:pdal@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">pdal@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re: [pdal] PDAL install<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Yes, it is there. One can use it, it processes but Python is not updated.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If you check the github or overstack on conda and Python 3.8.2, there are others with issues as well.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If PDAL can only be installed with conda, and there's no alternative, then I will uninstall Python3.8 and try conda all over again.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It's just that I'm in a time crunch for my project and I'm really trying to get these installs issues over with.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks for hearing me out.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Samantha<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:26 AM adam steer <<a href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi Samantha<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">…it seems odd that there would be issues with py3.8.2 and conda. It’s there as a package: <a href="https://anaconda.org/anaconda/python" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://anaconda.org/anaconda/python</a><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Using virtual environments is really key to managing python on machines you want to do more than one thing with (for example your laptop/desktop machine).<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If you’re in a conda virtual environment, try really hard to avoid using pip.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">There’s a few extra words about PDAL installation with conda here: <a href="https://pdal.io/workshop/conda.html#what-is-conda" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://pdal.io/workshop/conda.html#</a><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hope that helps,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Adam<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 19:25, Samantha Lee <<a href="mailto:slee63@ncsu.edu" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">slee63@ncsu.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I am new to this.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I have a project where I need to use PDAL.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">However, PDAL website states that the only way to install PDAL in Windows is through Conda. I have Python 3.8.2 installed without using Anaconda. I can't install conda using pip install and I don't want to use Anaconda as it doesn't come with Python 3.8 and upgrading to that version using conda has issues.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">I cannot install PDAL using pip install either.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">I am using Windows 10 and am wondering if there are other ways to resolve the install?<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Thanks in advance for your help.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Samantha<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">_______________________________________________<br>pdal mailing list<br><a href="mailto:pdal@lists.osgeo.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">pdal@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/pdal" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/pdal</a><u></u><u></u></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">--<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dr. Adam Steer<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="http://spatialised.net/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://spatialised.net</a><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Adam_Steer" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Adam_Steer</a><br><a href="http://au.linkedin.com/in/adamsteer" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://au.linkedin.com/in/adamsteer</a><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0046-7236" style="color:blue;text-decorati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