<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">A few additional points:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">* If you don't need Anaconda, use the Miniconda installer.</div><div class="">* ArcGIS has a Conda environment that can be used</div><div class="">* <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">Adam's advice is spot-on. Create new environments for different activities or projects and don't use pip unless you have to.</span><br class=""><div><br class=""></div><div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">If PDAL can only be installed with conda, and there's no alternative, then I will uninstall Python3.8 and try conda all over again.</div></div></blockquote><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">There are plenty of alternatives, it's just that they're all likely to be much harder than installing and using PDAL via Conda, especially on Windows.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 24, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Michael Smith <<a href="mailto:michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com" class="">michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Samantha,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Conda is just one method. But you can install pdal under python 3.8 on conda<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 3pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(29, 28, 29);" class="">conda create –name pdal3.8<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 3pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(29, 28, 29);" class="">conda config --add channels conda-forge<br class="">conda install python=3.8 pdal -y<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 3pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(29, 28, 29);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 3pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(29, 28, 29);" class="">Each conda environment is separate so you can have python3.7 or 3.8 or whatever environment.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 3pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(29, 28, 29);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 3pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(29, 28, 29);" class="">Mike<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 3pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(29, 28, 29);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-- <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Michael Smith<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">US Army Corps of Engineers<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Remote Sensing/GIS Center<o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 3pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(29, 28, 29);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">pdal <<a href="mailto:pdal-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" class="">pdal-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>> on behalf of Samantha Lee <<a href="mailto:slee63@ncsu.edu" class="">slee63@ncsu.edu</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:54 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>adam steer <<a href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com" class="">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>pdal <<a href="mailto:pdal@lists.osgeo.org" class="">pdal@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [pdal] PDAL install<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Yes, it is there. One can use it, it processes but Python is not updated.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If you check the github or overstack on conda and Python 3.8.2, there are others with issues as well.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If PDAL can only be installed with conda, and there's no alternative, then I will uninstall Python3.8 and try conda all over again.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It's just that I'm in a time crunch for my project and I'm really trying to get these installs issues over with.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks for hearing me out.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Samantha<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:26 AM adam steer <<a href="mailto:adam.d.steer@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">adam.d.steer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Samantha<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">…it seems odd that there would be issues with py3.8.2 and conda. It’s there as a package: <a href="https://anaconda.org/anaconda/python" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://anaconda.org/anaconda/python</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Using virtual environments is really key to managing python on machines you want to do more than one thing with (for example your laptop/desktop machine).<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If you’re in a conda virtual environment, try really hard to avoid using pip.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">There’s a few extra words about PDAL installation with conda here: <a href="https://pdal.io/workshop/conda.html#what-is-conda" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://pdal.io/workshop/conda.html#</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hope that helps,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Adam<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 19:25, Samantha Lee <<a href="mailto:slee63@ncsu.edu" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">slee63@ncsu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am new to this.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have a project where I need to use PDAL.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">However, PDAL website states that the only way to install PDAL in Windows is through Conda. I have Python 3.8.2 installed without using Anaconda. I can't install conda using pip install and I don't want to use Anaconda as it doesn't come with Python 3.8 and upgrading to that version using conda has issues.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">I cannot install PDAL using pip install either.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">I am using Windows 10 and am wondering if there are other ways to resolve the install?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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