<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Steve,</div><div><br></div><div>I know I'm the cause for this email ;-)</div><div><br></div>Well, I think you can't prevent people from using Facebook and Twitter for asking for support. Nobody may answer, but that's the problem of the person who asked ;-)<div><div><br></div><div>I think the pgRouting website states pretty clearly the "supported" communication channels: <a href="http://pgrouting.org/support.html">http://pgrouting.org/support.html</a></div><div>This is mailing lists and Stackexchange. I will place a few comments inline:<br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
pgrouting-users list<br>
pgrouting-dev list<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We could reduce it to 1, but I think there is only small overhead to subscribe to 2 lists. And I guess "users" may be bothered by discussions that usually happen when working on releases for example.</div><div><br></div><div>I think there is some barrier for users to first time subscribe to a mailing list. It's also easy to get annoyed by mailing lists of projects, that you're not so much involved in. </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
github issues<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm always annoyed by support questions that come as issues. </div><div>It's just the wrong place to ask questions. </div><div>But I think there is no alternative to issue trackers for development.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
irc channel<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry, my fault. I'm probably using IRC the wrong way, but I just don't get familiar with it. And I forget login credentials to administrate persistent IRC channels. </div><div><br></div><div>I think there are more comfortable tools nowadays that are better than IRC and easier to use for people like me ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>I would like to close those IRC channels if I knew how to do this. But I guess they are unused anyway. I assume that someone asking there while nobody else is in the chat room will soon realize, that this is the wrong place to get support.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
stack exchange<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It seems to be a platform, that a lot of people like. Very low barrier to join for new users, it seems.</div><div>But the nice thing is, that other users answer questions (people, I never saw on the mailing list). The motivation to help on Stackoverflow is very high. There seem to be quite a few "support addicts" (to collect badges and points).</div><div><br></div><div>I think we don't need to monitor it, because it usually works and someone answers. I wouldn't worry about it, even if you and I won't participate there.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
redmine channels<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This one is new to me. </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
twitter<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>(or Facebook). I sometimes use Twitter for announcements.</div><div>But if someone expects to get answers through Twitter or Facebook ... well, we don't need to care, I think.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
glitter<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, I became a big supporter of chat tools, that are easier to use than IRC. And Glitter might be an interesting way to achieve a few things:</div><div><ul><li>Avoid longish and hard to read email threads</li><li>Allows chats but keeps the history (with IRC I need to configure a bot and have to spend hours to keep a chat history somewhere)</li><li>It seems to allow to fetch information from other resources (maybe also notifications from Stackexchange or Twitter?)</li><li>Seems to integrate well with Github, has something called "Activity stream"</li></ul><div>Definitely there are disadvantages of chat tools. And you can abuse them. It doesn't replace a mailing list for example. It would just turn into chaos.</div></div><div><br></div><div>I think a chat tool is the right tool, when you think, that it would be better now to call this person. You can also abuse a mailing list for that purpose ;)</div><div><br></div><div>So in short: using the right tools is important. And they should be open for community matters.</div><div><br></div><div>If there are too many channels and it's worth to monitor them, then there are for sure tools to do this. Using a mailing list for that (I know of projects, which send every commit to the mailing list) is bad in my opinion. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm evaluating Gitter now, because I think it's better than the other chat tool I use. Otherwise I only care about ML and Github issue tracker (and I'm subscribed to Stackoverflow RSS for "pgRouting" tagged questions).</div><div><br></div><div>My preferred setup would be 2 channels:</div><div><ul><li>"old-style" mailing list (mailbox)</li><li>easy-to-use chat group tool, that collects notifications from other channels as well (ie. Github notifications, Stackoverflow RSS, Travis Build notifications, etc.).</li></ul></div><div>Hope that makes sense,</div><div>Daniel</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">Georepublic UG & Georepublic Japan<br>eMail: <a href="mailto:daniel.kastl@georepublic.de" style="color:rgb(66,99,171)" target="_blank">daniel.kastl@georepublic.de</a><br>Web: <a href="http://georepublic.info" style="color:rgb(66,99,171)" target="_blank">http://georepublic.info</a></span><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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