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    Boa referência!<br>
    Talvez este seja um grupo de trabalho inteerssante para criar:
    representar a comunidade sig junto do IGP para promover discussão de
    alteração do formato e adoptar algo semelhante.<br>
    Eu tenho participado em algumas reuniões na APDSI, no grupo "Geo
    competitivo" e acho que este tópico pode ser jutnamente com o
    cadastro (que já foi identificado como problema base em PT) um
    assunto a discutir para melhorar o impacto dos SIG na economia.<br>
    Podemos eventualmente propor um texto com o assunto para inclusão no
    documento final.<br>
    Se me quiserem ajudar nesta tarefa (na prática estou no grupo em
    representação do osgeopt), deêm uma olhada no documento anterior de
    2005 aqui:<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://geo-competitivo.tagus.ist.utl.pt/">http://geo-competitivo.tagus.ist.utl.pt/</a><br>
    Victor<br>
    <br>
    On 23-11-2010 9:08, Fernando Ribeiro wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:AANLkTimZ8q1rN-Kwao6=Rj9FYijjXcXJMoqv-dgeusSU@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Bom dia a todos!<br>
      <br>
      É com grande interesse que sigo esta salutar discussão sobre um
      dos maiores problema(s) base da cartografia em Portugal.<br>
      Não querendo entrar em pormenores técnicos, já que raramente
      utilizo cartografia multicodificada, apenas refiro que estes
      problemas já se passaram noutros Países, portanto, só temos a
      aprender olhando para fora do nosso umbigo.<br>
      <br>
      <font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Mas seria bom para todos um
        novo modelo “miraculoso”, venham lá as sugestões…! <br>
        <br>
      </font>Respondendo e contribuindo para uma sugestão referida pelo
      Pedro Pereira, o modelo que mais tenho utilizado nos últimos anos
      é o <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="http://www.kadaster.nl/top10nl_engels/">TOP10NL</a>,
      modelo também que partiu de uma base cartográfica em CAD e que é
      tudo aquilo que o Ricardo Pinho referiu....Aberto e Interoperável.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Fica a sugestão<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">No dia 16 de Novembro de 2010 09:49,
        Pedro Pereira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:pedromap@gmail.com">pedromap@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
        escreveu:<br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
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          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font
              size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Boas,</font></font></p>
          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font
              size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font></font></p>
          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font
              size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">No meu entender o
                problema em causa não se resume à dificuldade do uso da
                informação, em aplicações open source ou proprietárias.</font></font></p>
          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font
              face="Times New Roman" size="3">Os multicódigos surgiram
              com um propósito e nenhuma aplicação CAD ou SIG por si só
              os substitui. </font></p>
          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font
              face="Times New Roman" size="3">Bem ou mal, o IGP
              desenvolveu a metodologia da Cartografia para MNT, com o
              qual solucionou muitos problemas (principalmente a
              sobreposição de linhas e a garantia de polígonos
              fechados). Outros problemas surgem quando se pretende usar
              a informação em SIG, mais uma vez proprietário ou open….
              Mesmo que algum benfeitor desenvolva uma aplicação que
              migre os top’s para shape ou postgresql, o problema vai
              continuar… pois a base fica em top.</font></p>
          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font
              face="Times New Roman" size="3">A solução passa por um
              novo modelo para a Cartografia, resta saber que sugestões
              poderemos dar ao IGP para o novo modelo de cartografia, de
              forma a servir os interesses de qualquer aplicação CAD ou
              SIG. Eu, na minha opinião, ao contrário do Ricardo Pinho
              (quando diz que tem “sugestões sobre como resolver este
              problema”), acho que será muito complicado… mas estou
              disponível para dar o meu contributo. </font></p>
          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font
              face="Times New Roman" size="3">A minha experiência, ao
              longo dos últimos 8 anos que <span> </span>tenho
              trabalhado com cartografia multicodificada, dado que tenho
              as aplicações necessárias para a sua conversão para dwg,
              shape, entre outras, é que o modelo do MNT resulta apenas
              no sentido “.top” – SIG, o oposto torna-se impossível.
              Alguns problemas podem ser resolvidos com simples
              centroides, mas garantias não teremos.</font></p>
          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font
              face="Times New Roman" size="3">Mas seria bom para todos
              um novo modelo “miraculoso”, venham lá as sugestões…! </font></p>
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          <div>Cumps,</div>
          <div>Pedro<br>
            <br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/16 Ricardo Pinho <span
              dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:rpinho_eng@yahoo.com.br" target="_blank">rpinho_eng@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span>
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                    <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
                      font-size: 10pt;">Duarte,<br>
                      <br>
                      <div>Apesar de a considerares "uma aventura
                        impossível", eu mantenho a minha posição! <br>
                        Já não aceito gastar o meu "tempo" e "engenho" a
                        "tapar o sol com a peneira".<br>
                        deve ser da idade... boa sorte. ;-)<br>
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                        Abraço,<br>
                        Ricardo Pinho<br>
                        <br>
                        PS.<br>
                        Só depois de se definirem novas especificações
                        para cartografia oficial é que eventualmente
                        fará sentido procurar uma forma de conversão da
                        informação existente, ou talvez nem aí...<br>
                        <br>
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                              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De:</span></b>
                              Duarte Carreira &lt;<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:DCarreira@edia.pt"
                                target="_blank">DCarreira@edia.pt</a>&gt;<br>
                              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Para:</span></b>
                              OSGeo PT - The OSGeo Portugal Local
                              Chapter &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:portugal@lists.osgeo.org"
                                target="_blank">portugal@lists.osgeo.org</a>&gt;<br>
                            </div>
                            <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Enviadas:</span></b>
                            Segunda-feira, 15 de Novembro de 2010
                            17:55:50
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                                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Assunto:</span></b>
                                RE: [Portugal] Off-topic: microstation
                                *.top e catálogos *.cat<br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:
                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Ricardo,</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:
                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:
                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Fiquei
                                    a saber algumas estórias (história?)
                                    que não sabia ;)</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:
                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Independentemente
                                    de tentarmos todos que o IGP altere
                                    a sua política, pelo menos, de
                                    distribuição desta informação, que
                                    acho sinceramente uma aventura
                                    impossível, gostaria muito de ter um
                                    processo Open Source para conversão
                                    desta info. É um processo que
                                    aumenta de complexidade consoante se
                                    eleva o nível de exigência. Podemos
                                    atacar por etapas - por exemplo,
                                    converter para pontos e linhas,
                                    desdobradas. E depois tratar os
                                    polígonos já seria outro passo. E a
                                    separação por temas outro ainda,
                                    etc.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:
                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Na
                                    verdade, gostaria de ouvir aqui
                                    alguns elementos de câmaras
                                    municipais: como vos chegam os dados
                                    dos concursos de cartografia – só
                                    dgn, só dwg, também em shapefile?
                                    Chegam a usar a informação? Como
                                    usam e como gostariam de usar esta
                                    info? Gostariam de a actualizar ao
                                    longo do tempo? Nada disto faz
                                    sentido porque é demasiado complexo
                                    trabalhar estes dados? </span></p>
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                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:
                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Quanto
                                    a software, se o OGR [1] (lembrete –
                                    testar o OpenEV) conseguir chegar ao
                                    user data linkage (que parece ser o
                                    mesmo que “attribute data linkage”
                                    [2]), já teríamos um caminho a
                                    seguir. Outra possibilidade seria
                                    solicitar à SIQuant o licenciamento
                                    do seu GeoQuality como
                                    GPL/MIT/BSD/???, e trabalhar a
                                    partir daí…</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:
                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Duarte</span></p>
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                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">[1]
                                    - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://dgnlib.maptools.org/"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span
                                        style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                                        text-decoration: none;">http://dgnlib.maptools.org/</span></a>
                                    e <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://dgnlib.maptools.org/libhtml/dgnlib_8h.html"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span
                                        style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                                        text-decoration: none;">http://dgnlib.maptools.org/libhtml/dgnlib_8h.html</span></a></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:
                                    rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">[2]
                                    - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://www.la-solutions.co.uk/content/Databases/ElementData.htm"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span
                                        style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
                                        text-decoration: none;">http://www.la-solutions.co.uk/content/Databases/ElementData.htm</span></a></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                          style="font-size: 10pt;">De:</span></b><span
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                                        Ricardo Pinho [mailto:<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:rpinho_eng@yahoo.com.br"
                                          target="_blank">rpinho_eng@yahoo.com.br</a>]
                                        <br>
                                        <b>Enviada:</b> segunda-feira,
                                        15 de Novembro de 2010 16:38<br>
                                        <b>Para:</b> OSGeo PT - The
                                        OSGeo Portugal Local Chapter<br>
                                        <b>Assunto:</b> Re: [Portugal]
                                        Off-topic: microstation *.top e
                                        catálogos *.cat</span></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size: 10pt;">Viva
                                            Luis, Duarte e restantes,<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Em primeiro lugar devo
                                            manifestar que não considero
                                            este tópico NADA
                                            "off-topic", muito pelo
                                            contrário! ;-)<br>
                                            Na minha modesta opinião, é
                                            para promover o debate de
                                            assuntos como este que esta
                                            lista deve ser orientada.
                                            Porque, é na falta de debate
                                            que existe uma imensa lacuna
                                            nesta área (SIG) e em toda a
                                            sociedade Portuguesa.<br>
                                            <br>
                                          </span><span style="color:
                                            rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size:
                                            11pt;">&gt; Mais alguém teve
                                            em lutas destas???</span><span
                                            style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
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                                            A questão seria melhor
                                            colocada na negação: <br>
                                            "Quem é que ainda não teve
                                            lutas destas?" ;-)<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Acredito que, de uma forma
                                            ou de outra, todos os que
                                            lidam com SIG (e muitos
                                            outros...) esbarraram nesta
                                            "aberração Nacional" da
                                            Cartografia Oficial, feita
                                            num formato CAD
                                            proprietário, que nem sequer
                                            é o mais utilizado a nível
                                            nacional e que ainda por
                                            cima usa uma particularidade
                                            específica e "muito pouco
                                            utilizada" desse formato (o
                                            User data Linkage).<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Depois de muitos anos a
                                            lidar com este problema, a
                                            justificação que encontro
                                            para esta situação e a sua
                                            manutenção até hoje resulta
                                            do velho paradigma: "The
                                            Inmates Are Running the
                                            Asylum!"<br>
                                            Ou seja: A opção por aquele
                                            formato de dados e
                                            multi-codificação resultou
                                            da<b> valorização de vários
                                              factores que favoreciam os
                                              próprios criadores das
                                              especificações, da
                                              INSTITUIÇÃO REGULADORA</b>
                                            (IGP) <b>e PRODUTORES da
                                              cartografia</b>, e <b>desvalorizados
                                              os factores que favoreciam
                                              os UTILIZADORES da
                                              cartografia</b>,
                                            nomeadamente a ABERTURA DE
                                            DADOS E DE FORMATO.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Se contabilizarmos os <b>prejuízos
                                              directos e indirectos que
                                              esta "OPÇÃO"</b> provocou
                                            e ainda provoca hoje na
                                            utilização (ou falta dela)
                                            de um recurso tão importante
                                            como a Cartografia, como diz
                                            o Luis, dava para pagar
                                            muita coisa... !!! Mas este
                                            é só um pequeno exemplo das
                                            más opções do passado que,
                                            todos somados, nos trazem
                                            hoje à situação de
                                            "bancarrota" do País. Errar
                                            é humano, mas repetir os
                                            erros e não os corrigir já
                                            não é, é sinal de falta de
                                            inteligência!<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Eu também já estive nessas
                                            lutas e admito que não saí
                                            delas totalmente vencedor! A
                                            forma mais aceitável que
                                            consegui, com perdas mínimas
                                            de dados e de elementos
                                            gráficos, foi através da
                                            utilização do MicroStation
                                            V8, usando a sua capacidade
                                            de converter para DWG/DXF.
                                            Depois disso, como domino
                                            razoavelmente esse outro
                                            formato, já foi fácil
                                            utilizar a informação,
                                            nomeadamente converte-la
                                            para BD Geográficas, etc...<br>
                                            Mas esta solução não a vou
                                            divulgar pois estaria a
                                            JOGAR O JOGO DELES E A
                                            PROMOVER O SOFTWARE FECHADO!<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Na altura, 2004-2006, tentei
                                            inúmeras soluções e
                                            metodologias usando software
                                            livre SIG, mas com sucesso
                                            limitado e usando sempre
                                            passos intermédios com
                                            software fechado. Não sei se
                                            entretanto a OGR e outras
                                            bibliotecas capazes de ler o
                                            formato dgn melhoraram ao
                                            ponto de conseguir ler e
                                            exportar o "User data
                                            Linkage"? penso que não...<br>
                                            <br>
                                            É sabido que, para resolver
                                            correctamente um problema
                                            devem-se atacar as suas
                                            causas!<br>
                                            Foi isso que tentei fazer,
                                            ao aproveitar a oportunidade
                                            de interesse por parte do
                                            distribuidor da Autodesk
                                            (Techdata) e a receptividade
                                            da entidade reguladora
                                            (IGP), e propus-lhes a
                                            criação de uma versão do
                                            Caderno de Encargos da
                                            Cartografia Oficial para o
                                            formato: DWG / DXF. Essa
                                            iniciativa resultou na
                                            elaboração de um completo
                                            Caderno de Encargos para o
                                            formato DWG, acompanhada
                                            pelo IGP, que incluí-a a
                                            capacidade de
                                            multi-codificação utilizando
                                            o "EXTENDED DATA". <br>
                                            <br>
                                            &gt; - A multicodificação
                                            também pode ser simulada em
                                            Autocad. Sobre este aspecto
                                            ver:<br>
                                            &gt; "Bibliotecas de
                                            símbolos e dados auxiliares
                                            de produção"- <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.igeo.pt/servicos/Autoridade_Nacional/Biblioteca_DWG_10k.zip"
                                              rel="nofollow"
                                              target="_blank">http://www.igeo.pt/servicos/Autoridade_Nacional/Biblioteca_DWG_10k.zip</a><br>
                                            &gt; (Esta pasta tem um
                                            ficheiro <i>multicodigos.doc</i>)<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Como autor desse documento e
                                            bibliotecas, devo esclarecer
                                            que foi a solução encontrada
                                            para responder à exigência
                                            do IGP em "manter
                                            inalterados" os princípios
                                            que regiam as especificações
                                            da Cartografia Oficial,
                                            apenas garantido que os
                                            dados fossem gravados em
                                            formato DWG. Gostaria de ter
                                            ido mais além, mas essas
                                            foram as regras...<br>
                                            <br>
                                            EM CONCLUSÃO:<br>
                                            É tempo de debater
                                            claramente este assunto e de
                                            os utilizadores darem a
                                            saber que exigem a adopção
                                            de um FORMATO E
                                            ESPECIFICAÇÕES ABERTAS para
                                            a cartografia oficial
                                            Portuguesa.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Duarte (como chapter
                                            member), <br>
                                            talvez este seja um bom
                                            desafio para a recém criada
                                            Associação OSGEOPT, e para a
                                            comunidade Portuguesa de
                                            utilizadores de software
                                            livre SIG demonstrarem as
                                            suas convicções!<br>
                                            Eu tenho muitas sugestões
                                            sobre como resolver este
                                            problema e estou disponível
                                            para ajudar com os meus
                                            conhecimentos e experiência,
                                            desde que seja um projecto
                                            que se baseie nos princípios
                                            de transparência e de
                                            participação livre/pública.
                                            (do género do praticado pelo
                                            grupo de trabalho de
                                            educação/ensino)<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Cumprimentos,<br>
                                            Ricardo Pinho<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                          </span></p>
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                                          <p style="margin-bottom:
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                                                style="font-size: 10pt;">De:</span></b><span
                                              style="font-size: 10pt;">
                                              Duarte Carreira &lt;<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:DCarreira@edia.pt"
                                                target="_blank">DCarreira@edia.pt</a>&gt;<br>
                                              <b>Para:</b> OSGeo PT -
                                              The OSGeo Portugal Local
                                              Chapter &lt;<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:portugal@lists.osgeo.org"
                                                target="_blank">portugal@lists.osgeo.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                              <b>Enviadas:</b>
                                              Sexta-feira, 12 de
                                              Novembro de 2010 10:35:51<br>
                                              <b>Assunto:</b> RE:
                                              [Portugal] Off-topic:
                                              microstation *.top e
                                              catálogos *.cat</span></p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color: rgb(31,
                                                73, 125); font-size:
                                                11pt;">Olá Luis.</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color: rgb(31,
                                                73, 125); font-size:
                                                11pt;"> </span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color: rgb(31,
                                                73, 125); font-size:
                                                11pt;">Já me tinham
                                                falado do pgeCOD, mas
                                                nunca tinha encontrado
                                                um link… e não me
                                                lembrava exactamente do
                                                nome. Mas é preciso
                                                MicroStation. Algúem
                                                sabe o preço? Também me
                                                falaram em tempos de uma
                                                versão supostamente mais
                                                barata que o MicroSt.
                                                que é o power map? Ou
                                                semelhante, também da
                                                Bentley… supostamente
                                                seria capaz de converter
                                                os dgn multicódigo, de
                                                alguma forma…</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color: rgb(31,
                                                73, 125); font-size:
                                                11pt;"> </span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color: rgb(31,
                                                73, 125); font-size:
                                                11pt;">Também tenho um
                                                esquema parecido com o
                                                teu de conversão, mas
                                                usando FME. Temos uma
                                                tabela de multicódigos
                                                válidos, que são
                                                extraídos dos dgn’s para
                                                shapefile, replicando os
                                                vectores quando têm mais
                                                de 1 código, e separando
                                                objectos gráficos
                                                (hatches, et al). Depois
                                                estes vectores são
                                                separados por temas
                                                (outros shapefiles)
                                                usando uma tabela de
                                                mapeamento. A coisa
                                                funciona bem, e
                                                conseguimos até obter os
                                                textos em separado
                                                (pontos, com texto,
                                                ângulo e características
                                                gráficas). Mas restam
                                                ainda as tarefas para
                                                criar os polígonos
                                                correctamente… código a
                                                código, criar polígonos,
                                                e criar os polígonos
                                                interiores para obter as
                                                áreas correctas. Claro
                                                que polígonos só
                                                interessam a quem
                                                necessita de mais do que
                                                imprimir ou ver cartas.</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color: rgb(31,
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color: rgb(31,
                                                73, 125); font-size:
                                                11pt;">Mais alguém teve
                                                em lutas destas???</span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color: rgb(31,
                                                73, 125); font-size:
                                                11pt;">Duarte</span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                                      style="font-size:
                                                      10pt;">De:</span></b><span
                                                    style="font-size:
                                                    10pt;"> Luis Miguel
                                                    [mailto:<a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lmikegeo@yahoo.com" target="_blank">lmikegeo@yahoo.com</a>]
                                                    <br>
                                                    <b>Enviada:</b>
                                                    sexta-feira, 12 de
                                                    Novembro de 2010
                                                    00:04<br>
                                                    <b>Para:</b> OSGeo
                                                    PT - The OSGeo
                                                    Portugal Local
                                                    Chapter<br>
                                                    <b>Assunto:</b> Re:
                                                    [Portugal]
                                                    Off-topic:
                                                    microstation *.top e
                                                    catálogos *.cat</span></p>
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                                            </div>
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                                              <p style="margin-bottom:
                                                12pt;" class="MsoNormal">Hi
                                                List,<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Este assunto é sem
                                                dúvida bastante
                                                interessante. Algumas
                                                considerações:<br>
                                                - O principal problema a
                                                resolver na posse de
                                                cartografia
                                                multicodificada consiste
                                                na replicação dos
                                                vectores (n códigos
                                                --&gt; n vectores). <br>
                                                Neste aspecto acho que
                                                vamos estar sempre
                                                dependentes de
                                                aplicações fechadas (ou
                                                então desenvolver uma em
                                                MDL, MicroStation Basic,
                                                etc..). Apenas
                                                acrescento uma às que o
                                                Duarte referiu: pgeCOD
                                                da Pregale, <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.pregale.com/produtos.html" rel="nofollow"
                                                  target="_blank">http://www.pregale.com/produtos.html</a><br>
                                                <br>
                                                - A multicodificação
                                                também pode ser simulada
                                                em Autocad. Sobre este
                                                aspecto ver:<br>
                                                "Bibliotecas de símbolos
                                                e dados auxiliares de
                                                produção"- <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.igeo.pt/servicos/Autoridade_Nacional/Biblioteca_DWG_10k.zip"
                                                  rel="nofollow"
                                                  target="_blank">http://www.igeo.pt/servicos/Autoridade_Nacional/Biblioteca_DWG_10k.zip</a><br>
                                                (Esta pasta tem um
                                                ficheiro <i>multicodigos.doc</i>)<br>
                                                <br>
                                                - Há uns tempos atrás
                                                elaborei uma tabela de
                                                mapeamento, que funciona
                                                em Microstation V8  a
                                                qual nomeia um objecto
                                                em função do nível,
                                                simbologia e geometria.
                                                Para utilizá-la é
                                                necessário que a
                                                cartografia se encontre
                                                replicada. Nota: na
                                                altura constatei que no
                                                catálogo de objectos do
                                                IGP não existiam dois
                                                códigos com a mesma
                                                simbologia + level e
                                                tipo de geometria
                                                associada. A tabela não
                                                inclui a toponimia.<br>
                                                XLS: <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geomatica.no.sapo.pt/file/tabela.xls" rel="nofollow"
                                                  target="_blank">http://geomatica.no.sapo.pt/file/tabela.xls</a><br>
                                                CSV: <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geomatica.no.sapo.pt/file/tabela.csv" rel="nofollow"
                                                  target="_blank">http://geomatica.no.sapo.pt/file/tabela.csv</a><br>
                                                <br>
                                                Depois de efectuar o
                                                mapeamento podemos
                                                carreagar os dados em
                                                SIG tendo para cada
                                                objecto uma layer.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                - O IGP disponibiliza
                                                para download várias
                                                routinas que lidam com
                                                multicódigos mas nenhuma
                                                faz replicação de
                                                vectores.<br>
                                                <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.igeo.pt/produtos/Cartografia/download/download_caixa_de_ferramentas.htm"
                                                  rel="nofollow"
                                                  target="_blank">http://www.igeo.pt/produtos/Cartografia/download/download_caixa_de_ferramentas.htm</a><br>
                                                <br>
                                                Cumps<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Luis Tavares<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
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                                                  <p
                                                    style="margin-bottom:
                                                    12pt;"
                                                    class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                                        style="font-size:
                                                        10pt;">From:</span></b><span
                                                      style="font-size:
                                                      10pt;"> Pedro
                                                      Pereira &lt;<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pedromap@gmail.com" target="_blank">pedromap@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                      <b>To:</b> OSGeo
                                                      PT - The OSGeo
                                                      Portugal Local
                                                      Chapter &lt;<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:portugal@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">portugal@lists.osgeo.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                                      <b>Sent:</b> Thu,
                                                      November 11, 2010
                                                      7:04:39 PM<br>
                                                      <b>Subject:</b>
                                                      Re: [Portugal]
                                                      Off-topic:
                                                      microstation *.top
                                                      e catálogos *.cat</span></p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Os
                                                      códigos se forem
                                                      exportados para
                                                      ODBC ficam
                                                      compatíveis com o
                                                      ArcGis/shapefile,
                                                      depois basta fazer
                                                      a associação do
                                                      código com o
                                                      catálogo de
                                                      objectos.</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Quanto
                                                      a gerar polígonos
                                                      com ou sem ilhas
                                                      no NgXis é muito
                                                      simples... desde
                                                      que não possua
                                                      erros de
                                                      topologia!!!</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Recordo-me,
                                                      de uma formação
                                                      que realizei no
                                                      IGP, de
                                                      ferramentas que
                                                      eles tinham
                                                      internamente para
                                                      trabalhar com esta
                                                      informação. Tv
                                                      seja altura de
                                                      serem
                                                      disponibilizadas
                                                      :)</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="margin-bottom:
                                                      12pt;"
                                                      class="MsoNormal">O
                                                      problema é o que
                                                      já se sabe, quando
                                                      a informação vai
                                                      para shape e é
                                                      alterada ou
                                                      associada a outra
                                                      informação,  a
                                                      base perde todo o
                                                      sentido...deixa de
                                                      estar actualizada,
                                                      e mesmo que o
                                                      façam, a sua
                                                      exportação para
                                                      shape faz com que
                                                      se perca toda a
                                                      informação
                                                      previamente
                                                      alterada/associada....</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">2010/11/11
                                                      Duarte Carreira
                                                      &lt;<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:DCarreira@edia.pt" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">DCarreira@edia.pt</a>&gt;</p>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">Luís,</span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">Sem
                                                          usar NgXis, o
                                                          formato da
                                                          cartografia
                                                          multicodificada
                                                          do IGP é na
                                                          prática um
                                                          formato
                                                          proprietário,
                                                          fechado a
                                                          qualquer outro
                                                          software.</span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">Sucede
                                                          que os códigos
                                                          de cada
                                                          objecto
                                                          gráfico estão
                                                          guardados numa
                                                          área
                                                          denominada
                                                          “user data
                                                          linkages”, e
                                                          dificilmente
                                                          se encontra
                                                          software que
                                                          capaz de ler
                                                          esta área para
                                                          que possamos
                                                          depois
                                                          decompor em
                                                          códigos
                                                          presentes no
                                                          catálogo. Mas
                                                          esta
                                                          decomposição
                                                          nem é muito
                                                          difícil (penso
                                                          que estão em
                                                          decimal e
                                                          converte-se
                                                          para
                                                          hexadecimal).
                                                          O problema
                                                          está mesmo em
                                                          conseguir ler
                                                          esta
                                                          informação no
                                                          ficheiro top
                                                          (que é um dgn
                                                          a que se mudou
                                                          a extensão).</span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">Os
                                                          programas que
                                                          vi ler estes
                                                          códigos são o
                                                          FME
                                                          (excelente,
                                                          mas complexo,
                                                          e que custava
                                                          ~700€ há 4
                                                          anos), e um
                                                          utilitário
                                                          desenvolvido
                                                          pela SIQuant
                                                          que testei em
                                                          tempos (</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="http://www.siquant.pt/portal/GeoQuality@141.aspx"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">http://www.siquant.pt/portal/GeoQuality@141.aspx</a><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">).
                                                          Segundo me
                                                          recordo tinha
                                                          um bom
                                                          potencial, mas
                                                          aparentemente
                                                          parou no
                                                          tempo. De
                                                          qualquer
                                                          forma, é uma
                                                          opção que eu
                                                          exploraria, em
                                                          alternativa a
                                                          MicroStation+NgXis.
                                                          Penso que está
                                                          para download
                                                          gratuito…</span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">Em
                                                          tempos também,
                                                          o Frank
                                                          Warmerdam
                                                          disse-me estar
                                                          convencido que
                                                          o OGR também
                                                          lias estes
                                                          códigos,
                                                          usando na
                                                          altura a
                                                          dgnlib.
                                                          Pareceu-me a
                                                          mim que ele se
                                                          referia na
                                                          realidade aos
                                                          mslinks, que
                                                          não são o que
                                                          se pretende.
                                                          Nunca cheguei
                                                          ao fundo desta
                                                          questão, e de
                                                          qualquer
                                                          forma, a
                                                          dgnlib também
                                                          segundo sei
                                                          tem
                                                          actualmente
                                                          problemas de
                                                          licenciamento
                                                          (tem de ser
                                                          paga)…</span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">Acho
                                                          este tópico
                                                          muito
                                                          interessante,
                                                          e gostaria de
                                                          saber de
                                                          outras
                                                          experiências
                                                          sobre a
                                                          conversão de
                                                          dgn’s
                                                          multicodificados.</span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">Antes
                                                          que me
                                                          esqueça, eu
                                                          ouvi
                                                          pessoalmente o
                                                          Eng.º Cordeiro
                                                          do IGP,
                                                          afirmar que o
                                                          IGP faria esta
                                                          conversão para
                                                          shapefile
                                                          gratuitamente
                                                          desde que
                                                          solicitado.
                                                          Acho que não
                                                          alucinei, e
                                                          foi numa sala
                                                          cheia de
                                                          gente… (julgo
                                                          que no
                                                          penúltimo
                                                          ESIG, se a
                                                          memória não me
                                                          falha). Talvez
                                                          seja esta a
                                                          primeira opção
                                                          a investigar.</span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">E
                                                          finalmente,
                                                          não esquecer
                                                          as dores de
                                                          cabeça que
                                                          esta conversão
                                                          provocará
                                                          quanto a
                                                          polígonos ilha
                                                          ou vazios…</span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;">Duarte</span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(31, 73,
                                                          125);
                                                          font-size:
                                                          11pt;"> </span></p>
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                                                          style="border-width:
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                                                          -moz-use-text-color;
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          10pt;">De:</span></b><span
                                                          style="font-size:
                                                          10pt;"> Pedro
                                                          Pereira
                                                          [mailto:<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pedromap@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">pedromap@gmail.com</a>]
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>Enviada:</b>
                                                          quinta-feira,
                                                          11 de Novembro
                                                          de 2010 15:38<br>
                                                          <b>Para:</b>
                                                          OSGeo PT - The
                                                          OSGeo Portugal
                                                          Local Chapter<br>
                                                          <b>Assunto:</b>
                                                          Re: [Portugal]
                                                          Off-topic:
                                                          microstation
                                                          *.top e
                                                          catálogos
                                                          *.cat</span></p>
                                                        </div>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Com
                                                          o microstation
                                                          e o NgXis
                                                          podes ler os
                                                          códigos e ver
                                                          os seus
                                                          atributos de
                                                          acordo com o
                                                          catálogo.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Com
                                                          o NgXis eles
                                                          estão
                                                          automáticamente
                                                          ligados.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Cumps,</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Pedro</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">2010/11/11
                                                          Luís Ferreira
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lferreira75.1@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lferreira75.1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Boa
                                                          tarde.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Eu estou
                                                          perfeitamente
                                                          ciente que
                                                          estou a postar
                                                          um assunto
                                                          off-topic.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Eu estou
                                                          perante a
                                                          tarefa de
                                                          importar um
                                                          conjunto de
                                                          dados de um
                                                          modelo<br>
                                                          numérico
                                                          topográfico
                                                          para formato
                                                          SIG. Tenho
                                                          dados em
                                                          formato *.top<br>
                                                          (microstation)
                                                          e catálogos
                                                          com a
                                                          tipologia dos
                                                          dados em
                                                          formato *.cat.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Alguém
                                                          trabalha com
                                                          este formato
                                                          de dados ou
                                                          sabe de alguma
                                                          maneira para<br>
                                                          ligar a
                                                          tipologia dos
                                                          dados aos
                                                          atributos dos
                                                          dados
                                                          geométricos
                                                          (layer,<br>
                                                          cor,...)?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Obrigado,<br>
                                                          Luís Ferreira<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/portugal</a></p>
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                                                      style="margin-bottom:
                                                      12pt;"
                                                      class="MsoNormal"><br>
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      <br>
      -- <br>
      Fernando Ribeiro<br>
      Geógrafo Físico<br>
      <br>
      Urbanização Quinta do Barroso, Lote B17 2ºDto.<br>
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