<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I have no objection to alpha test tarballs, hopefully someone will get use out of them.<div class="">P<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 21, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Regina Obe <<a href="mailto:lr@pcorp.us" class="">lr@pcorp.us</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I’d be willing to do the release if everyone is okay with the idea.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>postgis-devel [<a href="mailto:postgis-devel-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" class="">mailto:postgis-devel-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Darafei "Kom?pa" Praliaskouski<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, May 21, 2019 1:32 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>PostGIS Development Discussion <<a href="mailto:postgis-devel@lists.osgeo.org" class="">postgis-devel@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [postgis-devel] PostgIS 3.0 beta 1 ready?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">How about getting a snapshot out and calling it alpha1, implying no feature freeze? It went well for 2.5.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 6:19 AM Paul Ramsey <<a href="mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">pramsey@cleverelephant.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Not even a little… I really would like to have some kind of “solution” to the problem of extra flag space the 3D people need, even if I don’t end up touching the overall serialization beyond that.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On May 21, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Regina Obe <<a href="mailto:lr@pcorp.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lr@pcorp.us</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Are we ready for a PostGIS 3.0 beta 1release?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Any more features we plan to put in 3.0 before we nail the box?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’d like to package a PostGIS 3.0 beta 1 to go with the PostgreSQL 12 beta 1 as I see PostgreSQL 12 now shipping with PostGIS 2.5.2<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">which is discouraging given the effort we’ve put in to take advantage of PostgreSQL 12 features with 3.0.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">relevant thread on IRC:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:42]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">Myon</span>> trying postgis on PG12beta1:<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://pgdgbuild.dus.dg-i.net/job/postgis-binaries-beta/architecture=amd64,distribution=sid/35/console" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">https://pgdgbuild.dus.dg-i.net/job/postgis-binaries-beta/architecture=amd64,distribution=sid/35/console</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:42]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">sigq</span>> Title: postgis-binaries-beta » amd64,sid<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-channel">#35</span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"> </span>Console [Jenkins] (at<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://pgdgbuild.dus.dg-i.net/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">pgdgbuild.dus.dg-i.net</span></a>)</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:42]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">Myon</span>> is that a PostGIS problem, or one in PostgreSQL? (timestamp 17:39:21)</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:43]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">robe2</span>> Myon you should be using PostGIS 3.0 for 12</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:43]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">Myon</span>> well that doesn't exist yet</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:43]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">robe2</span>> Myon if we shipped a beta would that help?</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:43]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">robe2</span>> We are planning to release PostGIS 3.0 around same time as 12</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:44]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">robe2</span>> because it has a lot of stuff just for 12 :)</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:44]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">Myon</span>> a beta would help sortish, because I wouldn't want to ship to users before it's stable, while still trying to support PG12</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:45]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">Myon</span>> it's just these extra "WARNING: stats for "t.g" do not exist" lines, the rest of the tests works</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:45]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">Myon</span>> does it make sense that these are duplicated now, or is that something that should be fixed in PostgreSQL itself? (I haven't yet read any postgis code)</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426timestamp"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:45]</span></span><span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><<span class="gmail-m-6977378899132411426hyperlink-whois">robe2</span>> Okay let me bring it up for discussion on postgis dev</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><robe2> we aren't testing PostgreSQL 12 on 2.5 -- so it may not work completely until release time as we won't be in a rush to fix issues on 12 in 2.5 until release</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:46] <robe2> and the most we'd promise is it compiles -- not necessarily it regresses</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:48] <Algunenano> About the duplicated messages, I think that the issue had to do with CTEs and robe2 fixed it in 3.0 and refushed (:D) to fixed it in 2.5</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" class="">[11:50] <robe2> :D) yap I refused we didn't put in all this effort in 3.0 for 12 just to have people shipping 2.5 with 12</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If we aren’t ready maybe we should just wait till PG 13 comes out and forgo the 3.0 release in September. As there is no point in shipping a 3.0 mid cycle after PostgreSQL 12 is released and if packagers are going to ship a 2.5. Everyone will be settled in on a 2.5 and won’t waste their time upgrading to a 3.0 even if packagers were willing to ship a 3.0 with 12, which most WILL NOT.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regina<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; 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