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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>That example wouldn’t work even if we put in named args for those </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Because we would then need to make x, y, z optional in ST_Translate, so that would require dropping those signatures and readding them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Let put aside the breakage in existing workflow for a minute<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>But we would have to allow ST_Translate(geom) - and what shoud that mean? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>and gosh that’s like 4 extra characters you have to type to save typing 1 extra character </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>. I know it’s clearer but<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>what if we went by the docs <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>ST_Traslate(geom, deltax => 10, deltay => 0)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Are you going to remember is it “x” or “deltax” </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Is such clarity really worth the nuisance of having to reference the manual all the time for the name of the argument?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I know I sound like an old nay-sayer stuck in the dark ages clinging on to the simplicity of the past.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> postgis-devel [mailto:postgis-devel-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Rindahl<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> PostGIS Development Discussion <postgis-devel@lists.osgeo.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [postgis-devel] Function Removal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I agree with all that but it could have advantages: ST_Translate(geom,x=>10) for a shift to the right, ST_Translate(geom,y=>10) for a shift up, ST_Scale(z=>10) for vertical distortion. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> The functions , comments, and documents would all have to be updated and in sync with 'accepted' names.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:19 PM Regina Obe <<a href="mailto:lr@pcorp.us">lr@pcorp.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>> Since they've come in we've really under-used named parameters. Some of<br>> that because of legacy, some of it because of mental inertia. But for<br>these<br>> kinds of things they seem pretty ideal to me. Mean what you say, say what<br>> you mean, have what your parameters mean be clear instead of opaque. A<br>> good habit, all in all.<br>> <br>> P<br>> <br>In the beginning I thought named args were great, but I've come to think of<br>them as being a little evil.<br>Don't get me wrong -- they are indispensable in raster and pgRouting, cause<br>there is a butt load of arguments and it's hard to undo or even questionable<br>if we should.<br><br>But for cases where we have few args, I find the evilness much worse than<br>the disease they are there to cure.<br><br>Mostly because of our indecision with coming up with good names and then<br>changing our mind <br>and then the fact our names in the docs don't even always match the named<br>args ones we have .<br><br>Remember Paul when your OCD kicked in and you decided to rename an arg?<br><br>Oops we can't change the name of the arg without dropping the function oops<br>we can't rename it because what if someone is using the name.<br><br>So I don't care what the OGC says<br><br>ST_Point(x,y, srid)<br><br>With last arg always meaning srid seems clearest to me.<br><br>No overloading with z,m etc.<br><br>Have separate named functions for that.<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>postgis-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:postgis-devel@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">postgis-devel@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/postgis-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/postgis-devel</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></body></html>