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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Rob,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Suddenly my warm and fuzzy feeling is not so warm and fuzzy anymore.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does the Direct connect require ArcGIS server as well (thought it came with ArcGIS Client API). I always thought from reports that Direct connect was a sucky implementation, but at least you could get away without paying the ArcGIS SDE license and you didn't have to have another ugly service running on your system.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also if you are running ArcGIS SDE for SQL Server, do you need yet another license for ArcGIS SDE for PostGIS. I presume you need an ArcGIS license for any server you have that is running SDE, but if you have a server running both SQL Server SDE and PostGIS, do you need 2 licenses? (one for each SDE implementation).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>You can tell I'm a big fan of ArcGIS can't you :). I guess if I have to live with ArcGIS fanboys I'll try to make the best of it. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Would be interesting to see some metrics between ZigGIS, SDE whatever and Direct Connect or are such metrics not allowed?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regina</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net on behalf of Rob Tester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 5/23/2008 12:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'PostGIS Users Discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Yes, an SDE license is required and that is now only available with ArcGIS<BR>server (cha-ching!).<BR><BR>We plan to create our own display layer (similar to ZigGIS) and then create<BR>our own backend solution to maintain the database. This is easier for us<BR>since we use ArcGIS Engine for development and create our own tools outside<BR>of Arc desktop.<BR><BR>The 'economical' route for those that want to use PostGIS and have edit<BR>capabilities inside ArcGIS desktop would be to use the ZigGIS professional<BR>which (from my understanding) implements an editable PostGIS layer in ArcGIS<BR>desktop.<BR><BR>Rob.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net<BR>[<A href="mailto:postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net">mailto:postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net</A>] On Behalf Of<BR>Sufficool, Stanley<BR>Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:40 AM<BR>To: PostGIS Users Discussion<BR>Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3<BR><BR>Does all of this wonderful functionality require an SDE connector<BR>license?<BR><BR>Does "direct connect" function without the SDE license?<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net<BR>[<A href="mailto:postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net">mailto:postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net</A>] On Behalf Of Rob<BR>Tester<BR>Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:14 AM<BR>To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion'<BR>Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3<BR><BR><BR>Okay, I have the current 9.3 rc1 with the SDE and PostGIS. I also have<BR>talked with some of the developers at ESRI and can tell you the<BR>following.<BR><BR>Yes the support for PostGIS does exist. The geometries can be in WKB or<BR>SDE (we keep ours in WKB). According to the developers of SDE for<BR>PostGIS there isn't a large difference in the type anyway. But you can't<BR>use both at the same time, so you have to pick your poison.<BR><BR>I have also patched ZigGIS so that it works with just the ArcGIS Engine<BR>which is what we use to develop our applications.<BR><BR>Rob.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net<BR>[<A href="mailto:postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net">mailto:postgis-users-bounces@postgis.refractions.net</A>] On Behalf Of<BR>Chris Hermansen<BR>Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:17 AM<BR>To: PostGIS Users Discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3<BR><BR>What I find immediately puzzling about this whole SDE - PostGIS thing is<BR><BR>a comment that Someone Knowledgeable (Paul? Martin?) made a few weeks<BR>ago about an incompatibility between SDE's geometry and OGC or at least<BR>PostGIS's implementation of OGC.<BR><BR>Sorry I can't provide more details, but does anyone recall this, and<BR>have a comment on the matter?<BR><BR>Tim Bowden wrote:<BR>> On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 09:29 -0500, Stephen Woodbridge wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> Tim Bowden wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>> Hi all,<BR>>>><BR>>>> I've read bits and pieces about PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server<BR><BR>>>> 9.3 and how they (might) inter-operate. Can anybody point me to a<BR>>>> concise summation of what's happening there? I understand ArcGIS<BR>>>> Server will be able to use PostGIS geometries, but at what cost<BR>>>> (performance and functionality)? Does this mean we can have ArcGIS<BR>>>> and open source clients editing the same geometries?<BR>>>><BR>>>> ArcGIS Server 9.3 beta is in the wild, and I've read that the final<BR>>>> release is due "soon". Anyone have any idea if soon is measured in<BR>>>> weeks or months?<BR>>>> <BR>>> Tim,<BR>>><BR>>> You might be interested in this link:<BR>>> <A href="http://blog.davebouwman.net/2008/05/12/PostGISRound2ReadingTheManual">http://blog.davebouwman.net/2008/05/12/PostGISRound2ReadingTheManual</A>.<BR>>> aspx<BR>>><BR>>> -Stephen Woodbridge<BR>>> <A href="http://imaptools.com/">http://imaptools.com/</A><BR>>> <BR>><BR>> Hot stuff, thanks Stephen. Looks very promising. With a bit of luck<BR>> it will ease the transition to PostgreSQL/PostGIS for those wanting to<BR><BR>> go down that route. I can think of a few who will be looking at this<BR>> over the next few years.<BR>><BR>> Regards,<BR>> Tim Bowden<BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> postgis-users mailing list postgis-users@postgis.refractions.net<BR>> <A href="http://postgis.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/postgis-users">http://postgis.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/postgis-users</A><BR>> <BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Chris Hermansen <A href="mailto:chris.hermansen@timberline.ca">mailto:chris.hermansen@timberline.ca</A><BR>tel+1.604.714.2878 . fax+1.604.733.0631 . mob+1.778.232.0644<BR>Timberline Natural Resource Group . <A href="http://www.timberline.ca/">http://www.timberline.ca</A> 401 . 958<BR>West 8th Avenue . Vancouver BC . Canada . 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