<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:14px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165150">Roxanne:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165149" dir="ltr">  I think you're on to something here.  I just did more tests, and found the following:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_164977" dir="ltr">This command fails with the error:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165011" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165019" dir="ltr">select ST_Asgeojson( geom ) from dynamic.polys where ST_Intersects(ST_GeomFromGeoJSON('$jsonPoly'), geom)=TRUE and ST_Area(ST_Intersection(ST_GeomFromGeoJSON('$jsonPoly')::geography, geom::geography))>500</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165062" dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">  == ERROR==<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165429" dir="ltr">DBD::Pg::st execute failed: ERROR:  Error performing intersection: TopologyException: Input geom 0 is invalid: Self-intersection at or near point 1543100.5176146738 389360.239110158 at 1543100.5176146738 389360.239110158 at ./foo.pl line 50.<br style="" class="">DBD::Pg::st execute failed: ERROR:  Error performing intersection: TopologyException: Input geom 0 is invalid: Self-intersection at or near point 1543100.5176146738 389360.239110158 at 1543100.5176146738 389360.239110158 at ./foo.pl line 50.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165401" dir="ltr">  == /ERROR==</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165605" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165470" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165095" dir="ltr">But this command succeeds, no error:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165142" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165108" dir="ltr"> select ST_Asgeojson( geom ) from dynamic.polys where ST_Intersects(ST_GeomFromGeoJSON('$jsonPoly'), geom)=TRUE</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165147" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165148" dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_164976"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165188">The only thing different is the extra AND:  </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165254" dir="ltr"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165188">    </span>ST_Area(ST_Intersection(ST_GeomFromGeoJSON('$jsonPoly')::geography, geom::geography))>500</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_164975"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165323"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165258"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165471" dir="ltr">The reason I did this was to prevent false positives for geoms which were simply tangent, or "touching".</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165540" dir="ltr">For example, if I searched for MN, and there was poly/county on the northern IA border, it would be returned.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165638" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165805" dir="ltr">Looks like I need to find a better way to deal with the geoms that just touch with a single point or line in common.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165736" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165810" dir="ltr">Any idea on a better way to handle this?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165806" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165738" dir="ltr">Thanks for your help!   I owe you a beer.    :)<br></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_164957"><br><div>
<br></div></div><br>  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165809" style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165808" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_165807" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Roxanne Reid-Bennett <rox@tara-lu.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> postgis-users@lists.osgeo.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:16 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [postgis-users] TopologyException: geom is invalid<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv4431106367"><div>
    <div class="yiv4431106367moz-cite-prefix">On 2/26/2015 1:40 PM, Joseph Spenner
      wrote:<br clear="none">
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100383">I ran the
          following against all 4 of my GeoJSON files:</div>
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        <div id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100196">SELECT
          ST_IsSimple(ST_GeomFromGeoJSON('@poly'))</div>
        <div id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100199">SELECT
          ST_IsValid(ST_GeomFromGeoJSON('@poly'))</div>
        <div id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100207">SELECT
          ST_IsValidDetail(ST_GeomFromGeoJSON('@poly'))</div>
        <div id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100215">SELECT
          ST_IsValidReason(ST_GeomFromGeoJSON('@poly'))</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100262">where
          @poly contained each one of the following:</div>
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            <div class="yiv4431106367" dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100594" style="">The select returned no error.  I tried
              to vary the input slightly to make sure I was using the
              proper syntax, and was able to get errors-- such as:</div>
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            <div class="yiv4431106367" dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100773" style="">DBD::Pg::st execute failed: ERROR: 
              geometry contains non-closed rings<br class="yiv4431106367" style="" clear="none">
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            <div class="yiv4431106367" dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100869" style="">So, it would seem my geoms are ok.</div>
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            <div class="yiv4431106367" dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100962" style="">I've not yet tried the "ST_MakeValid".  
              But wouldn't the above indicate they're already valid?</div>
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    Yes ST_IsValid coming back true means that the geometry is "valid". 
    (Topology Exceptions are most often thrown during operations on
    invalid geometries - so this test is the first that should be done
    when one occurs...  in almost all cases)<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    In my (limited) experience - just because 2 geometries are valid,
    doesn't mean that operations on them won't generate issues. <br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    Is it the cast to Geography, ST_Intersection or the ST_Area on the
    ST_Intersection that is throwing the error?<br clear="none">
    My guess is going to be the ST_Area on the results of the
    ST_Intersection.<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    So, is the result of the ST_Intersection of the two geographies
    valid?<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    Have you perhaps looked at all the involved geometries (since you
    are down to 4) at the point identified by the original Topo  error 
    in order to understand exactly what in the makeup of those
    geometries makes the error remotely possible within the operation
    you are performing on them?  <br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    ST_MakeValid and ST_Buffer adjust the geometry in (frequently
    insignificant) ways that help operations avoid Topos.  But what
    adjustment is likely to avoid the error when using the related valid
    geometries is dependent upon the real cause for the error - and that
    is specific to the geometries at the point identified in the error. 
    Whether those manipulations can validly be applied is dependent upon
    your business use tolerance for those adjustments.  (buffering a
    polygon by 0.00001 will skew calculated area of a polygon but may
    not result in false positives for an Intersects).<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    Roxanne<br clear="none">
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                Joseph Spenner <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv4431106367moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:joseph85750@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:joseph85750@yahoo.com"><joseph85750@yahoo.com></a><br clear="none">
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                PostGIS Users Discussion
                <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv4431106367moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:postgis-users@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:postgis-users@lists.osgeo.org"><postgis-users@lists.osgeo.org></a> <br clear="none">
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:05 AM<br clear="none">
                <b id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100132"><span id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_100131" style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
                [postgis-users] TopologyException: geom is invalid<br clear="none">
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                    <div id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30305">Hello,
                      and thanks for the replies!</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30743">I'll
                      try those suggestions.</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30548">Just
                      curiuos though-- which geometry seems to be
                      invalid?  Is it the state poly, or the smaller
                      county/zone poly?  If there was an invalid
                      geometry, wouldn't it always show up for that
                      state or county?  Here's what I observed for the
                      CA issue:</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30550">1)
                      I had 3 smaller county poly/geometries in CA. 
                      When performing my query, instead of returning the
                      3 polys, I received the error which I posted in my
                      original thread.  I identified it was 1 of those
                      3.  I deleted that 1 offending geometry from my
                      table.  After doing so, my query against CA turned
                      up the remaining 2, with no errors.  So, that
                      leads me to believe CA is ok.  Or is this not a
                      valid assumption?   Perhaps the location where
                      that offending intersection would have occurred in
                      the CA poly has an issue, and it doesn't get
                      tickled unless the smaller county zone intersects
                      it?</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30551"><br clear="none">
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                    <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30552">2)
                      I was able to plot the offending county described
                      above in the GeoJSONLint validation page:   <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30556" target="_blank" href="http://geojsonlint.com/">http://geojsonlint.com/</a></div>
                    <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30624"> 
                      There didn't appear to be any issues.</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30732">Thanks!</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30739">Regards,</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" id="yiv4431106367yui_3_16_0_1_1424960459142_30740">Joseph
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                              Joseph Spenner
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                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
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                              Re: [postgis-users] TopologyException:
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                                                ST_IsValid to verify the
                                                geometry is valid
                                                according to the OGC
                                                standard? (See <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://postgis.net/docs/using_postgis_dbmanagement.html#OGC_Validity">http://postgis.net/docs/using_postgis_dbmanagement.html#OGC_Validity</a>.
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                                                also helpful in this
                                                regard.) What happens if
                                                you run it through
                                                ST_MakeValid? Be aware
                                                that ST_MakeValid can
                                                sometimes result in
                                                GeometryCollections if
                                                the input shape is
                                                malformed (usually
                                                "rings" without enough
                                                points are that have
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