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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Several reasons<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Each function in itself is not that much, but compounded over many functions is a huge headache as if we change the newer version, we’d then have to remember to change the wrapper and in this case we’d have to keep track of what PostgreSQL is doing upstream since we have no control of array_agg. Aggregates are especially annoying since we had a state function tied behind this. So was really like 4 functions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>array_agg has been in PostgreSQL for a long long time. We assumed most users would be using that already instead of ST_Accum. There really was no reason to use ST_Accum past PostGIS 1.5 for any version of PostgreSQL. Granted we should have put a note on the page – deprecated so people new we’d be taking it out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Wrappers are slower. In the case of ST_Accum(), I think it’s significantly slower<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>People are already complaining about too many functions in PostGIS. So keeping around old ones that we don’t want people using anyway just adds to the frustration of new users.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> postgis-users [mailto:postgis-users-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marco Boeringa<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 15, 2020 7:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> postgis-users@lists.osgeo.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [postgis-users] Fwd: Re: Broken installs for PostGIS for Ubuntu 20.04LTS / Focal?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Hi Regina,<o:p></o:p></p><p>Yes, I found this via Google. After the update, it now indeed errors out on a 404. ST_Collect also no longer mentions it, so that seems fine now.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I do slightly wonder by the way why ST_Accum wasn't simple re-implemented as a wrapper around 'array_agg'. While I appreciate breaking changes may be necessary and are to be expected for a major version update like 2.x to 3.x, in this particular case, where wrapping the function would have been an easy solution, could have avoided breaking existing code with minimal effort and maintenance overhead.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Anyway, the required code changes are luckily minimal as well, just replace 'ST_Accum()' with 'array_agg()' as per the OSGeo tickets I saw, so that is not a big deal. I have now implemented this in my own code.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Marc,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Op 15-5-2020 om 13:24 schreef Regina Obe:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Yes stray doc. Did you find this via google. Looks like that page last got updated 4/17/2019. It’s the nature of how we build the docs that the updates overwrite existing for a particular Minor version, but don’t delete.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So it existed early in the life cycle of 3.0 but was later removed</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Anyway I’ve deleted ST_Length2D_Spheroid.html and ST_Point_Inside_Circle.html which also seemed to have the same issue</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> postgis-users [<a href="mailto:postgis-users-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:postgis-users-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Darafei "Kom?pa" Praliaskouski<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 15, 2020 5:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> PostGIS Users Discussion <a href="mailto:postgis-users@lists.osgeo.org"><postgis-users@lists.osgeo.org></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [postgis-users] Fwd: Re: Broken installs for PostGIS for Ubuntu 20.04LTS / Focal?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is mentioned in changelog and removed from the docs. For some reason there is stray page from older release.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 12:52 PM Tom van Tilburg <<a href="mailto:tom.van.tilburg@gmail.com">tom.van.tilburg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It's the first thing I ran into as well after upgrading .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But it hasn't been mentioned in the docs? Whoops... time for an issue...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tom<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:56 AM Marco Boeringa <<a href="mailto:marco@boeringa.demon.nl" target="_blank">marco@boeringa.demon.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>Tom,<o:p></o:p></p><p>It now appears the PostGIS team indeed removed 'ST_Accum', but forgot to update the online PostGIS Help. I see two OSGEO tickets related to this:<o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/ticket/4356" target="_blank">https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/ticket/4356</a><o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/changeset/17397" target="_blank">https://trac.osgeo.org/postgis/changeset/17397</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>Both mention replacing 'ST_Accum' with 'array_agg'.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Marco<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Op 15-5-2020 om 10:38 schreef Marco Boeringa:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>Tom,<o:p></o:p></p><p>One more question:<o:p></o:p></p><p>After successfully installing the PostGIS 3.0.1 extension using CREATE EXTENSION in pgAdmin4 on PostgreSQL 12.3 on Ubuntu 20.04 Focal, I now ran into an issue where it appears the 'ST_Accum' function is missing in my PostGIS install. My code calls this, and it failed. I then had a look at the function list in pgAdmin, and indeed 'ST_Accum' is not listed. I do see loads of other PostGIS functions, just 'ST_Accum' seems missing (although I cannot garantuee there are a few more missing functions, but the list seems pretty comprehensive from a quick look, and the CREATE EXTENSION call went without a hitch).<o:p></o:p></p><p>Can you confirm you see 'ST_Accum' in your PostGIS 3.0.1 function list if you look in pgAdmin? The PostGIS Help does not mention some deprecation of this function:<o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://postgis.net/docs/ST_Accum.html" target="_blank">https://postgis.net/docs/ST_Accum.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>Marco<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Op 14-5-2020 om 11:42 schreef Tom van Tilburg:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Whatever lives in /usr/local/lib was my manual build so I had to delete that manually.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I did `sudo rm /usr/local/lib/libgeos*` (same for proj and sfcgal)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On top of that I purged all old package configurations `sudo apt purge <packagename>` just to be sure but I don't think it is needed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Tom<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Marco Boeringa <<a href="mailto:marco@boeringa.demon.nl" target="_blank">marco@boeringa.demon.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>Hi Tom,<o:p></o:p></p><p>Thanks for the tip, but what did you do to remove the old install? Did you rely on Apt or Synaptic to remove the old libgeos version, or did you manually clean up folders? I had two versions of libgeos as well (3.7 and 3.8) if I remember well (need to start up the VM again to check), and removed the older one through Synaptic just leaving the 3.8 version, but that wasn't enough to solve my particular issues.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Marco<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Op 14-5-2020 om 10:32 schreef Tom van Tilburg:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think I solved it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The issue lies with gdal, not postgis (test by running `gdalinfo`), and it turns out there was an old install of libgeos (3.7) in my /us/local/lib. After simply removing all related files in /usr/local/lib gdal (and postgis and qgis) stopped complaining (I had to remove old installs of geos, proj and sfcgal for that).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This issue put me on the right track:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/issues/2214" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/issues/2214</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>T.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:15 PM Marco Boeringa <<a href="mailto:marco@boeringa.demon.nl" target="_blank">marco@boeringa.demon.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>Thanks Tom,<o:p></o:p></p><p>I have seen a similar error related to the "libgdal26" library, but that was after other trials to get something running on Ubuntu 20.04 Focal, where I successfully installed PostGIS 2.5.4, but then encountered issues when my code called the "postgis_full_version()" function and errored out with the error message below related to the "libgdal.so.26" library. However, as said, this was with PostGIS 2.5.4, not with the PostGIS 3.0.1 I actually want to install at this moment and that gave the other error related to the "postgis-3.so" library.<o:p></o:p></p><p>SQL Error [XX000]: ERROR: could not load library "/usr/lib/postgresql/11/lib/<a href="http://rtpostgis-2.5.so" target="_blank">rtpostgis-2.5.so</a>": /usr/lib/libgdal.so.26: undefined symbol: GEOSMakeValid_r<br> Where: SQL statement "SELECT public.postgis_gdal_version()"<br>PL/pgSQL function postgis_full_version() line 34 at SQL statement<o:p></o:p></p><p>Marco<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry for the short answer, am on the way currently. Will try to do a decent report tonight.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Error is roughly the same but comes from libgdal26 in my case when doing apt install qgis after an upgrade to 20.04.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>best, Tom<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, 13 May 2020, 14:48 Marco Boeringa, <<a href="mailto:marco@boeringa.demon.nl" target="_blank">marco@boeringa.demon.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>Thanks for the response Tom, but could you be a bit more specific? <o:p></o:p></p><p>What do you mean with "Same problem with qgis"? Do you mean you've also encountered a "undefined symbol: GEOSMakeValid" error related to the "postgis-3.so" library when trying to use some tool in QGIS?<o:p></o:p></p><p>I have installed PostgreSQL 12 and PostGIS 3.0.1 via Synaptic on Ubuntu 20.04 (Focal) and use CREATE EXTENSION (via pgAdmin4), when I encounter the error.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Marco<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Op 13-5-2020 om 14:40 schreef Tom van Tilburg:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Same problem with qgis<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, 13 May 2020, 11:14 Marco Boeringa, <<a href="mailto:marco@boeringa.demon.nl" target="_blank">marco@boeringa.demon.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all,<br><br>Is there someone who can confirm they have been able to install PostGIS <br>3.0.1 via the official APT repository?:<br><br><a href="https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt" target="_blank">https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt</a><br><br>After using the Synaptics Package Manager to install the three packages <br>involved <br>("postgresql-12-postgis-3"/"postgresql-12-postgis-3-dbgsym"/"postgresql-12-postgis-3-scripts"), <br>and subsequently trying to create the PostGIS extension in pgAdmin4, I <br>get the following error:<br><br>ERROR: could not load library "/usr/lib/postgresql/12/lib/postgis-3.so": <br>/usr/lib/postgresql/12/lib/postgis-3.so: undefined symbol: GEOSMakeValid<br><br>I have been trying different things to fix this for past two days <br>including re-install, but to no avail. 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