<div dir="ltr">Howard, one way to make it "a little more earthy" would be to tilt the phi (and hence,<div>the imagined rotation axis) by 23 degrees (or whatever works best in practice) to mimic</div><div>the actual tilt of the Earth spin axis wrt the orbital plane. Not that "the average person"</div><div>would recognize the tilt of the earth - but they would recognize the tilt of a globe.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den ons. 18. sep. 2019 kl. 16.20 skrev Howard Butler <<a href="mailto:howard@hobu.co">howard@hobu.co</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I think 10B is pretty great, it shrinks well, and the phi would make a good favicon. My only suggestion as a non-designer who knows nothing is to make the phi a little more "earthy", but I've no idea how to do that.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Logos that are little maps don't shrink very well, and they are non-descript from all the other geo logos that are little maps. 10B is abstract enough that it doesn't have that problem but it still communicates an essence about the project.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Thank you so much for these.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Howard<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:57 AM Thomas Knudsen <<a href="mailto:knudsen.thomas@gmail.com" target="_blank">knudsen.thomas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Bonjour Sylvain,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for another batch of hard work from you!</div><div><br></div><div>10B works surprisingly well, with the phi giving a quite convincing impression of the Earth and its axis of rotation. It does, however, not really hit the 4D point.</div><div>11A is, in my opinion, very good - extremely clear, both graphically and communication wise. I would probably suggest a slightly darker shade of grey for the coordinate designations (but you have probably tried that and found it worse)</div><div>11B is a nice humorous take. I see why it probably won't work with a varphi instead of the plain phi - but would like to see that as well if you have tried it out already.</div><div><br></div><div>All in all, as of right now, I prefer the elegant, expressive and recognizable 11A, which will probably work extremely well in any size and angle, and provoke the right questions.</div><div><br></div><div>/thomas</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den tir. 17. sep. 2019 kl. 21.04 skrev Sylvain Beorchia <<a href="mailto:sylvain.beorchia@gmail.com" target="_blank">sylvain.beorchia@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Thanks Thomas for your feebacks.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are a few new tries (work in progress) : <a href="http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos_4.png" target="_blank">http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos_4.png</a> (lines 10 and 11), inspired by your suggestions.</div><div><br></div><div>Sylvain.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 17 sept. 2019 à 07:48, Thomas Knudsen <<a href="mailto:knudsen.thomas@gmail.com" target="_blank">knudsen.thomas@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span id="gmail-m_-3323601150717479618gmail-m_-8550849328502808640gmail-m_-4619441085501470021gmail-m_-307279136857301190gmail-docs-internal-guid-46174130-7fff-b692-f78a-5e9858ef9db1"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Consolas,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I am unconvinced (or actually rather strictly against) the “globe and plane” style logo candidates: They focus too narrowly on the projection side of things, which is already indicated quite clearly through the name PROJ.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Consolas,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I kind of like 3C, with the phi and its shadow - the shadow somehow indicating a “related but not identical reference frame”, i.e. a datum shift.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Consolas,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I do, however, not like the shape of the phi (or actually “varphi”: phi is the “O with bar strikethrough” often used to indicate a clock phase): The very open-to-the-left varphi looks too much like the word “up”.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Consolas,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I would like the logo to indicate more clearly that geodesy is a four-dimensional science, and the operations PROJ provide support that.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Consolas,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">So perhaps something like 3C, but with the letters “P R O J” casting the shadows “varphi lambda H t” - or for the sake of simplicity and recognizability in small sizes: Just the four letters “varphi lambda H t” on one line, and “P R O J” below that:</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Consolas,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">φλHt</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Consolas,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">PROJ</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Consolas,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">(where the phi was supposed to be a varphi)</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Consolas,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">It may be a challenge to make it work graphically, since varphi descends, and lambda, H and t ascends - but I am sure this can be made to work by someone more graphically skilled than myself.</span></p></span><div><br></div>/thomas<br class="gmail-m_-3323601150717479618gmail-m_-8550849328502808640gmail-m_-4619441085501470021gmail-m_-307279136857301190gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den man. 16. sep. 2019 kl. 16.27 skrev Sylvain Beorchia <<a href="mailto:sylvain.beorchia@gmail.com" target="_blank">sylvain.beorchia@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.<div>Let's wait some more reactions of the community for my propositions, and also for the other's (Nicolas, Janne...) one.</div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 16 sept. 2019 à 15:55, Kristian Evers <<a href="mailto:kreve@sdfe.dk" target="_blank">kreve@sdfe.dk</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank you! I’ve come to the conclusion that of your proposals I like 5B the best. I like the wire-frame globe and that the plane below it is sort of the projected
footprint of the globe. Additionally I like that the colors are simple (no shades and gradients) which I believe is more suitable for a logo. Additionally the red can be replaced with other colors depending on the context, for instance the OSGeo website which
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Sylvain Beorchia <<a href="mailto:sylvain.beorchia@gmail.com" target="_blank">sylvain.beorchia@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 16. september 2019 13:55<br>
<b>To:</b> Kristian Evers <<a href="mailto:kreve@sdfe.dk" target="_blank">kreve@sdfe.dk</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Even Rouault <<a href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:proj@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">proj@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PROJ] A few PROJ Logo propositions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've added a new version there <a href="http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos_3.png" target="_blank">http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos_3.png</a> including your suggestion (9B)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">These are indeed some good logo proposals. Like Even I also like the 2B/9A logo. I also like the 5B
version. It would be interesting to see a combination of 5B and 9A. I like the wireframe globe and the red from 5B.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> PROJ <<a href="mailto:proj-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">proj-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sylvain Beorchia<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14. september 2019 00:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Even Rouault <<a href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PROJ] A few PROJ Logo propositions</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On vendredi 13 septembre 2019 23:26:48 CEST Sylvain Beorchia wrote:<br>
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Thanks Sylvain. My preference would go to 2B, but perhaps with a uppercase J.<br>
Wondering if it wouldn't be better to enlarge a bit the green plane so that <br>
all letters (especially the P) are on it ?<br>
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