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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For me as a non-native English speaker, the pronunciation that rhymes on
<b>dodge</b> (ending ‘dzj’; IPA: / dʒ /) seems weird. I (probably wrongly) pronounce the English word
<b>projection</b> with way less emphasis on the Z sound and much more emphasis on the J sound (IPA: / dɪ /). So for me,
<b>proj</b> almost rhymes with <b>Troy</b> (IPA: / ɪ /). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jochem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> PROJ <proj-bounces@lists.osgeo.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Knudsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> maandag 27 maart 2023 21:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Javier Jimenez Shaw <j1@jimenezshaw.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> proj <PROJ@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PROJ] How is PROJ pronounced?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To my Danish ears, and following relaxed Danish orthography, PROJ is just the short form of PRÅDTSCHJJJ, when speaking English, and PRÅÅÅY when speaking Danish (give it a try :-) ) , so I can hardly claim to be consistent in the pronunciation...
and neither would I encourage anyone else to be: Pronounce it whichever way you feel (even PROOOOOOOOOY, PRUY, or PREJ), but spell it as PROJ :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Den man. 27. mar. 2023 kl. 16.32 skrev Javier Jimenez Shaw <<a href="mailto:j1@jimenezshaw.com">j1@jimenezshaw.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was not expecting the discussion about the pronunciation of the vowel "o", may fault XD. This can be a never ending topic among native English speakers (to many similar sounds for me).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My question was more oriented to the final "j". So far we agree on that. The rhyme with "dodge" is useful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Javier.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 at 14:18, Paul Harwood <<a href="mailto:runette@gmail.com" target="_blank">runette@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since you have started ...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am London English and I say it (like you based on that fact it is short for projection) with the same vowel as US "process" and not the vowel from UK "process" ... No one ever said that the English were consistent ... :).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But to be honest, the o sounds in English English ( as opposed to Scottish or Welsh or RP) are highly class dependant.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No one is ever going to agree about the bowl sounds. The consistent part is that it ends with a hard(-ish) "j"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, 13:05 Greg Troxel, <<a href="mailto:gdt@lexort.com" target="_blank">gdt@lexort.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Javier Jimenez Shaw <<a href="mailto:j1@jimenezshaw.com" target="_blank">j1@jimenezshaw.com</a>> writes:<br>
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> Recently somebody asked me why do I pronounce PROJ that way.<br>
> What I try to say is /ˈprɒdʒ/ ( hear it somehow<br>
> <a href="http://secure-web.cisco.com/17A3K7CAU2RJiVItFHp4BXRhILdvh20or5MK4XoQL0ai2FbdZSvyEioO-GOPpx2wlM3hQIEdXwETKl6DFpsfUbWBoogCrOWLOy61C619-nWVnQQCb8-a7keT8nI15J6VcXpjjfLDXnZaiVQkEOGOF4zA1Ae5xYH4pZAL82gxIK9_eTDBoDiVLQFAHekQCzVZdpoRq-zf-OHib0CujWYBvoEeSI7OplzdwqYqZ3NbMDNlaVmjxKg4ebAWM-Zorz-bSKGNuNznw86XEfcXnasFdKbYeiGgKr9R8IjJt34gfg6hsfF9NjY10BU_-CArqLjbacNRgc5roU72cutnMJ1VUhg/http%3A%2F%2Fipa-reader.xyz%2F%3Ftext%3D%25CB%2588pr%25C9%2592d%25CA%2592" target="_blank">
http://ipa-reader.xyz/?text=%CB%88pr%C9%92d%CA%92</a> )<br>
> Is there any "official" way or consensus about it?<br>
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My opinions have formed in a vacuum separated from actually talking to<br>
others, but:<br>
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I see PROJ as sort for "projection".<br>
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I pronounce it as rhyming with "dodge". This has a different vowel<br>
and different voicing of the j sound than when I say the word<br>
projection.<br>
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I view my pronunciation as the way I expect other native en_US<br>
speakers to read it (knowing/guessing "proj is short for projection")<br>
without any prior experience. en_CA and maybe en_GB I would maybe<br>
expect a long O, but I am pretty sure Gerald Evenden was from the US.<br>
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Relative to the <a href="http://secure-web.cisco.com/1ZNDTKd_pCysVag06IjIHz9yVsWMlgLXbZkfxxCIAbp-k7qvrUxYLnJ_hfTaHrebQL8NTyWIJjUd6iuKernwmEOKxRUlU3snNsc5k1PIITe0OnIhwD4rmy3sa0kcmVzuU3dFK1mlzxkOchRHtEy-YDYre2RdEchwsUtmy8Ksn7cY1qJMyi0rNw_Zjkos4aIJkL_fkDbtyojSCv24We8NouON-LYy2Gg0mrds9mVstX85ZTvMOxB5JtFc4hXib4C1Gs4qsRf3yNnIiS0eAUwhJ1s1bufbz4NeJ1gjKs7I7x64dL_4u1Um_XUqaCQWRTcwEutKF_elIromE8Pphc4D4ew/http%3A%2F%2Fipa-reader.xyz" target="_blank">
ipa-reader.xyz</a> "sally - american", I say it faster, with<br>
the vowel being maybe 2/3 the length and the j even less. But it's<br>
quite close, and I'm from ~Boston so I talk wicked fast compared to<br>
people from e.g. Georgia.<br>
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You can hear a shift to a slightly longer O in "brian - british". A<br>
Canadian might have a much larger shift to fully long O, the way they<br>
would says "process", but I think the short word somewhat avoids that.<br>
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