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    <p>It should work at least with the API using proj_factors() since
      PROJ 8.2. Cf <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/OSGeo/PROJ/pull/2868">https://github.com/OSGeo/PROJ/pull/2868</a> (you should
      likely strip off the +init= prefix then)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 30/05/2023 à 19:56, Nicolas
      Bellaiche a écrit :<br>
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      cite="mid:2144698104.8541824.1685469401436.JavaMail.zimbra@ign.fr">
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        <div>Ok i hoped your answer would help me understanding why I
          can't compute the scale factor properly but unfortunately it
          doesn't give me any idea.</div>
        <div>If I instantiate a PJ* with the new syntax (with <span
            style="color: rgb(50, 109, 116); font-family: Menlo;
            font-size: 15px;">proj_create)</span>, the meridional_scale
          is not computed correctly with proj_factors, while with the
          old "+init=" it still works.</div>
        <div>N.</div>
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        <div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>De: </b>"Even Rouault"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com"><even.rouault@spatialys.com></a><br>
          <b>À: </b>"Nicolas Bellaiche"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nicolas.bellaiche@ign.fr"><nicolas.bellaiche@ign.fr></a><br>
          <b>Cc: </b>"proj" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:proj@lists.osgeo.org"><proj@lists.osgeo.org></a><br>
          <b>Envoyé: </b>Mardi 30 Mai 2023 19:48:17<br>
          <b>Objet: </b>Re: [PROJ] Migrating to PROJ-9<br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 30/05/2023 à 19:24, Nicolas
            Bellaiche a écrit :<br>
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              sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">
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              <div>Ok, i kind of fixed my issue even if that's not all
                very clear to me. </div>
              <div>One of the things that I can't understand is that
                outdated "+init="</div>
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              <div>For instance if I try to use</div>
              <div>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>echo
                  2d20\'11.5\"E<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>46d47\'59.775\"N
                  <span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>|<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>./bin/proj<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>IGNF:LAMBE
                  -S<span style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' ,
                    sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> without the</span>
                  +init= syntax<span style="font-family:'arial' ,
                    'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> I get</span></p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                </p>
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              <div>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )">proj_create: unrecognized format /
                  unknown name</p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )">Rel. 9.1.1, December 1st, 2022</p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )"><proj>:<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )">projection initialization failure</p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )">cause: Invalid PROJ string syntax</p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )">program abnormally terminated</p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                </p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )">Is it normal?</p>
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          <p>Maybe? the old proj utility works with coordinate
            operations, actually only map projections, but not CRS
            definitions. In PROJ 4.x era, there was no such distinction.
            IGNF:LAMBE is a CRS definition now. Furthermore the proj
            utility has not been updated to resolve objects by
            code/names. (with the +init= prefix, proj errors out with
            "can't initialize operations that take non-angular input
            coordinates" for me. likely some mismatch between radian vs
            degree input expectations). I presume it could be enhanced
            to work with projected CRS definitions, although it is not
            totally clear to me what should be the expectations
            regarding input/output axis order.<br>
          </p>
          <p>Even<br>
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                </p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )">Sincerely,</p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                </p>
                <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                  0 , 0 , 0 )">N.B.</p>
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              <div><b>De: </b>"Even Rouault" <a
                  href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com"
                  target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><even.rouault@spatialys.com></a><br>
                <b>À: </b>"Nicolas Bellaiche" <a
                  href="mailto:nicolas.bellaiche@ign.fr" target="_blank"
                  rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><nicolas.bellaiche@ign.fr></a><br>
                <b>Cc: </b>"proj" <a
                  href="mailto:proj@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"
                  rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><proj@lists.osgeo.org></a><br>
                <b>Envoyé: </b>Mardi 30 Mai 2023 14:43:03<br>
                <b>Objet: </b>Re: [PROJ] Migrating to PROJ-9<br>
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              <div><br>
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              <div>
                <p>Weird indeed:<br>
                </p>
                <p>and what about trying directly the pipeline with cct
                  :</p>
                <p>echo 652760.73700000 7033791.24300000 43.64200000 |
                  cct +proj=pipeline +step +inv +proj=lcc +lat_0=46.5
                  +lon_0=3 +lat_1=44 +lat_2=49 +x_0=700000 +y_0=6600000
                  +ellps=GRS80 +step +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80<br>
                </p>
                <p>you should get:</p>
                <p> 4070327.2514    166078.9321  4891298.6149          
                  inf<br>
                  <br>
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 30/05/2023 à 14:35,
                  Nicolas Bellaiche a écrit :<br>
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                  <div style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' ,
                    sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">
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                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">Bonjour M. Rouault,</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><strong><br>
                        </strong></p>
                      <p
                        style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><font
                          face="Menlo"><span
                            style="font-weight:normal;font-size:11px">Voilà
                            ce que </span><span style="font-size:11px">j'obtiens:</span></font></p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><strong><br>
                        </strong></p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><strong>PROJ9:</strong></p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><strong><br>
                        </strong></p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><strong>Release % PROJ_DEBUG=3
                          projinfo -s IGNF:LAMB93 -t IGNF:RGF93 -o PROJ</strong></p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 );min-height:13px"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 );min-height:13px"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">pj_open_lib(proj.ini): call
fopen(/Users/nbellaiche/dev/sd-externs/macosx-clang/proj-9.1.1/nad/proj.ini)
                        - succeeded</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">pj_open_lib(proj.db): call
fopen(/Users/nbellaiche/dev/sd-externs/macosx-clang/proj-9.1.1/nad/proj.db)
                        - succeeded</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">Candidate operations found: 1</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">-------------------------------------</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">Operation No. 1:</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 );min-height:13px"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">unknown id, Inverse of LAMBERT-93 +
                        Conversion from RGF93 geographiques (dms) to
                        RGF93 cartesiennes geocentriques, 0 m, World</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 );min-height:13px"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">PROJ string:</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">+proj=pipeline</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> 
                        </span>+step +inv +proj=lcc +lat_0=46.5 +lon_0=3
                        +lat_1=44 +lat_2=49 +x_0=700000</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> 
                                </span>+y_0=6600000 +ellps=GRS80</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> 
                        </span>+step +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><strong> Release % echo
                          652760.73700000 7033791.24300000 43.64200000 |
                          cs2cs +init=IGNF:LAMB93 +to +init=IGNF:RGF93</strong></p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">4070355.05<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>166080.07
                        4891332.24</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><strong> Release % echo $PROJ_DATA</strong></p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )">/Users/nbellaiche/dev/sd-externs/macosx-clang/proj-9.1.1/nad</p>
                      <p
style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';color:rgb(
                        0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                      </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'"><strong> Release
                          % echo $PROJ_LIB</strong></p>
                      <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'">/Users/nbellaiche/dev/sd-externs/macosx-clang/proj-9.1.1/nad</p>
                      <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'">je
                        ne vois pas de différence. Je n'ai pas le début
                        d'une idée de comment identifier le problème...</p>
                      <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'"><br>
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                    <div><b>De: </b>"Even Rouault" <a
                        href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com"
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                      <b>À: </b>"proj" <a
                        href="mailto:proj@lists.osgeo.org" rel="nofollow
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                      <b>Envoyé: </b>Vendredi 26 Mai 2023 21:50:27<br>
                      <b>Objet: </b>Re: [PROJ] Migrating to PROJ-9<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>
                      <p>Ah, and you should avoid using the "+init="
                        prefix. This is a deprecated legacy syntax that
                        doesn't enforce axis order of the CRS definition
                        (without practical consequence for IGNF: CRS
                        since they use "GIS friendly" axis order)<br>
                      </p>
                      <p>To help debugging this, please provide the
                        output of:<br>
                      </p>
                      <p>PROJ_DEBUG=3 projinfo -s IGNF:LAMB93 -t
                        IGNF:RGF93 -o PROJ<br>
                      </p>
                      <p>On my system I get:<br>
                      </p>
                      <p>pj_open_lib(proj.ini): call
                        fopen(/home/even/proj/install-proj-master/share/proj/proj.ini)
                        - succeeded<br>
                        pj_open_lib(proj.db): call
                        fopen(/home/even/proj/install-proj-master/share/proj/proj.db)
                        - succeeded<br>
                        Candidate operations found: 1<br>
                        -------------------------------------<br>
                        Operation No. 1:<br>
                        <br>
                        unknown id, Inverse of LAMBERT-93 + Conversion
                        from RGF93 geographiques (dms) to RGF93
                        cartesiennes geocentriques, 0 m, World<br>
                        <br>
                        PROJ string:<br>
                        +proj=pipeline<br>
                          +step +inv +proj=lcc +lat_0=46.5 +lon_0=3
                        +lat_1=44 +lat_2=49 +x_0=700000<br>
                                +y_0=6600000 +ellps=GRS80<br>
                          +step +proj=cart +ellps=GRS80<br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 26/05/2023 à
                        21:46, Even Rouault a écrit :<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote>
                        <p>Hi,</p>
                        <p>I get the expected 4070327.25 166078.93
                          4891298.61 result with proj 6.0.0, 7.2.1,
                          9.2.0 and master</p>
                        <p>There's no grid involved in this operation,
                          just inverse LCC projection on the RGF93 datum</p>
                        <p>I also tried to reproduce your issue if the
                          PROJ < 6 IGNF file is found in the PROJ
                          resource path(s) (non nominal situation - this
                          file is not needed any more, and will
                          generally lead to suboptimal results. Its
                          content is included in the proj.db file), but
                          even with that I get the expected result. So
                          no idea why you get wrong results<br>
                        </p>
                        <p>Even</p>
                        <p><br>
                        </p>
                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 26/05/2023 à
                          20:54, Nicolas Bellaiche a écrit :<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote>
                          <div style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica'
                            , sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">
                            <div>Hi all,</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>I'm migrating my C++ code from PROJ4 to
                              PROJ9 and I meet a worrying issue with the
                              computation. Some of my regress tests
                              don't pass so I've tested with cs2cs and
                              gets the same difference:</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'"><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space">PROJ4</span></p>
                              <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'"><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>echo<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                                  class="Object"
                                  id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT157_com_zimbra_phone"
style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"><a
                                    style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">652760.73700000</a></span><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                                  class="Object"
                                  id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT158_com_zimbra_phone"
style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"><a
                                    style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">7033791.24300000
                                    43</a></span>.64200000 | cs2cs
                                +init=IGNF:LAMB93 +to +init=IGNF:RGF93: </p>
                              <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'">4070327.25<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
                                  class="Object"
                                  id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT159_com_zimbra_phone"
style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"><a
                                    style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">166078.93
                                    4891298.61</a></span></p>
                              <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';min-height:13px"><br>
                              </p>
                              <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo';min-height:13px">PROJ7
                                or PROJ9</p>
                              <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'"><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>echo<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                                  class="Object"
                                  id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT160_com_zimbra_phone"
style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"><a
                                    style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">652760.73700000</a></span><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                                  class="Object"
                                  id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT161_com_zimbra_phone"
style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"><a
                                    style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">7033791.24300000
                                    43</a></span>.64200000 | cs2cs
                                +init=IGNF:LAMB93 +to +init=IGNF:RGF93:<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
                              <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'">4070355.05<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
                                  class="Object"
                                  id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT162_com_zimbra_phone"
style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"><a
                                    style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">166080.07
                                    4891332.24</a></span></p>
                              <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'"><span
                                  class="Object"
                                  style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"><br>
                                </span></p>
                              <p style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0
);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:'menlo'"><span
                                  class="Object"
                                  style="color:#005a95;text-decoration:none"><br>
                                </span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>I suspect that PROJ7 and PROJ9 don't
                              read properly the geoid file but I'm not
                              sure. Someone can help me tracking and
                              fixing this problem?</div>
                            <div><br>
                              Thanks,</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Nicolas Bellaiche</div>
                            <div>Institut Géographique National France</div>
                          </div>
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