<div dir="ltr">I see what you all mean. But surveyors are all the time asking "where do I specify the geoid model". Actually many people only know the geoid model, and they have not idea that the is a vertical CRS.<div><br><div>(Probably because there is only one. Like the (small) countires with just one projection, that they don't make a clear difference between the geographic and the projected system)</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 at 23:04, Greg Troxel via PROJ <<a href="mailto:proj@lists.osgeo.org">proj@lists.osgeo.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">"Lesparre, Jochem" <<a href="mailto:Jochem.Lesparre@kadaster.nl" target="_blank">Jochem.Lesparre@kadaster.nl</a>> writes:<br>
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>> This explains why the Danish height system DVR90 is now in EPSG as a datum ensemble<br>
><br>
> I'm not sure of the Danish situation, but for the Netherlands the only<br>
> official realisation of the height system is the levelling<br>
> benchmarks. The geoid provides only an approximate<br>
> transformation. Making it two different CRSs is an interesting tweak,<br>
> but I'm afraid it would only create more confusion.<br>
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I think the the Netherlands situation is the same as the US (different<br>
orthometric height definitions, different underlying datum for HAE,<br>
different geoid models of course, but structurally the same). In both<br>
NL and US cases, I think it is incorrect to add a CRS for [orthometric<br>
height estimated from HAE and GEOID X].<br>
<br>
(I believe, after off-list conversations with Kristian and trying to<br>
read a report in Danish, that in Denmark, there really are additional<br>
height system realizations.)<br>
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