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Hi Luis,<br>
The nature of Open Source licenses is that the code can be owned by
multiple people. This is the case for many OSGeo projects. I'm
pretty sure PostGIS falls under that category, and I note that
Boundless have registered PostGIS as implementing OGC standards.<br>
<br>
So by that precedence, OSGeo would be able to list any of the Open
Source Geospatial projects associated with OSGeo as implementing OGC
standards, be they incubated, in incubation, or even just self
registering in OSGeo Labs.<br>
Is that correct?<br>
<br>
Extending on that logic, I'd suggest that OSGeo should be able to
pay to have an Open Source GIS project "certified OGC compliant",
even though OSGeo doesn't own the code. For example, OSGeo could pay
to have PostGIS certified, even though OSGeo doesn't legally own the
code. (PostGIS is an OSGeo graduated project).<br>
Is that correct?<br>
<br>
Now moving onto OSGeo projects. OSGeo projects are already
encouraged to make use of OGC standards. <br>
I'd suggest that our graduation process should encourage projects to
run and pass CITE certification tests for relevant standards (update
to graduation process required).<br>
Part of project build and release processes should involve verifying
CITE tests work. (Update to project processes required)<br>
The passing of CITE certification should be advertised in OSGeo
marketing, such as the OSGeo-Live documentation (update to
OSGeo-Live documentation template required).<br>
For OSGeo Graduated projects, I'd suggest that OSGeo should consider
offering to pay for official CITE testing. (An incentive for
projects to compete graduation). We would need to consider the
business case behind this before proceeding. <br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/10/2014 1:14 pm, Luis Bermudez
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<div>On Oct 14, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a
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<blockquote type="cite">Jeff, Jody,<br>
I agree that there is value in OSGeo projects being listed
in the OGC portal, and that we should work out what OGC and
OSGeo consider as a requirement for listing a project.<br>
<br>
Looking at: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration">http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration</a><br>
It seems that any application can be registered, free of
charge? </blockquote>
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<div>Yes.</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">To get to the next level of
"certified" or "reference implementation" might cost more.<br>
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<div>There is no cost if you set up a server (endpoint) for
others to exercise for free.</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Luis, are you able to explain this
further, or point at a URL which explains costs?<br>
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<div>If you want to pay the fees</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark">http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark</a></div>
<div>in the case of OSGeo it will be $80 per year per product
per standard</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
I agree with Jeff that we at OSGeo should work out a process
for registering compliant products with the OGC. I suggest
that this should become part of the OSGeo Incubation
process, which in turn should be referenced from the
OSGeo-Live processes.<br>
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And you need to update the database, for example every time a
new project implements a new standard.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
Jeff,<br>
I notice that MapCache (which I understand is associated
with MapServer) has been registered separately with OGC, but
MapCache is not referenced as one of our OSGeo projects at:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://osgeo.org">http://osgeo.org</a>
. I suggest that we should do something about that.<br>
<br>
We should be working out what criteria projects require
before they can be listed under an OSGeo banner on OGC
compliant products page. Only graduated projects? Graduated
and Incubating projects? Any project listed on OSGeo-Live?
Any project which has self registered to be part of OSGeo
Labs? Any Open Source project with some geospatial
functionality?<br>
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<div>The issue is that we need an organization to be "legally"
responsible for the project that is claiming compliance.
This organization is the one that we will give the trademark
license to use to OGC Certified logo. The question to ask
is: Is OSGeo only legally responsible for graduated
projects?</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">I'd like to hear OGC's thoughts on
this. Does the OGC have any quality requirements for listing
applications?<br>
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<div>Anyone can list an application in the OGC implementation
database. We clean it periodically, for example to spot
fake organizations or products. This rarely happens.</div>
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<div>Please let me know how else can I help.</div>
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<div><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">- Luis</span><br
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On 15/10/2014 7:58 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM, Jeff McKenna
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Jody,<br>
<br>
Thanks for picking up the ball on this. Actually I had
added this topic<br>
to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks
ago, but this new<br>
Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this.
Thanks.<br>
<br>
At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the
OGC's Luis<br>
Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully
we can all work<br>
together to get things set up here now:<br>
<br>
- a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation'
organization/account was<br>
created (visible at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/">http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/</a>)<br>
<br>
- therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with
password. The<br>
contact name is listed as myself and the contact email
is<br>
info(at)<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osgeo.org">osgeo.org</a>. My plan is/was
to motion to the Board this Thursday<br>
to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so
he/she can help<br>
manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo
Project officers<br>
whenever necessary. (we can login at<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration">http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration</a>)<br>
<br>
- goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects)
listed under the<br>
one OSGeo organization.<br>
<br>
- the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal
representatives<br>
of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over
the<br>
'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.<br>
<br>
- we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary
recently to make<br>
sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who
exactly is an<br>
officer of OSGeo:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html">http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html</a>)<br>
<br>
- MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were
transferred from Daniel<br>
Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account,
with the help of<br>
Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.<br>
<br>
- to answer your questions, this is the process we must
all figure out<br>
what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I
believe to get<br>
other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the
project's officer<br>
should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially,
and then the<br>
secretary will provide account access for submissions
etc.<br>
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<br>
Of course I forgot to mention that in the case of
GeoServer, the records are currently being maintained by
Boundless, and a transfer of sorts would have to occur.<br>
<br>
Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all project
officer's opinions. I can then bring this to the OSGeo
Board on Thursday.<br>
<br>
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Some unresolved issues:<br>
<br>
- there are costs involved in submissions, who covers
these costs?<br>
<br>
- how do we handle projects/products that are in
Incubation? (such as<br>
Rasdaman) Are Incubation projects, and their lead
contact, considered<br>
as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?<br>
<br>
Thoughts?<br>
<br>
Let's all work through this together :)<br>
<br>
-jeff<br>
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On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">OSGeo is now listed as an
organisation by the OGC (see<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products">http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products</a>).<br>
<br>
Questions:<br>
- Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?<br>
- Are we in position to run CITE tests and get
implementations certified?<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Jody Garnett<br>
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