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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">All,<br>
<br>
How would/should this situation work:<br>
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<li>
<blockquote>GeoMoose has it's own WMS/WFS client tool set for
working with OGC services directly. This is in a
preconfigured (get[Map/Legend/Features], etc) mode only, no
get getCapabilities, evaluation tools.<br>
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<li>
<blockquote>It's also built on top of OpenLayers, which does
about the same thing.<br>
</blockquote>
</li>
<li>
<blockquote>It can be configured to use MapServer as a WMS
client and Server.<br>
</blockquote>
</li>
</ul>
So, GeoMOOSE is as OGC compliant as OpenLayers and MapServer or ??<br>
<br>
I guess my question is do we as GeoMOOSE developers even worry
about it at all, or just report on what I just typed here and let
OSGeo take it from there? We tend to just use the things that
work, OGC standards have worked for a long time in GeoMOOSE, in
the manner described, as I'm sure they have in other OSGeo
projects.<br>
<br>
bobb<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/24/14 10:31 AM, Luis Bermudez wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Cameron,</div>
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<div>Sorry this took a little bit long to respond.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) OSGeo claims that it "provides a legal and administrative
framework to better support the ongoing development and
promotion of open source geospatial data and technologies."
This I think includes the legal framework to sign the License
Mark Agreement with OGC when requesting OGC certification.</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html">http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html</a></div>
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<div>2) OSGeo, can be legally responsible, if the project accepts,
for managing the compliance submission at OGC.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3) Any Open Source Geospatial project can "use" OSGeo as a
legal entity to get OGC certified. Is up to OSGeo to decide if
this applies to projects in incubation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>4) The certification logo will have the OSGeo name. Projects
that advertise their OGC compliance should use this logo. For
example:</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://portal.opengeospatial.org/public_ogc/compliance/srv_ogc_compliance_badge.php?id=102&pid=1083">https://portal.opengeospatial.org/public_ogc/compliance/srv_ogc_compliance_badge.php?id=102&pid=1083</a></div>
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<div>More line.</div>
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<div class="">On Oct 16, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Cameron Shorter
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""> Hi Luis,<br
class="">
The nature of Open Source licenses is that the code can be
owned by multiple people. This is the case for many OSGeo
projects. I'm pretty sure PostGIS falls under that
category, and I note that Boundless have registered
PostGIS as implementing OGC standards.<br class="">
<br class="">
So by that precedence, OSGeo would be able to list any of
the Open Source Geospatial projects associated with OSGeo
as implementing OGC standards, be they incubated, in
incubation, or even just self registering in OSGeo Labs.<br
class="">
Is that correct?<br class="">
</div>
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</div>
Yes.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""> <br
class="">
Extending on that logic, I'd suggest that OSGeo should be
able to pay to have an Open Source GIS project "certified
OGC compliant", even though OSGeo doesn't own the code.
For example, OSGeo could pay to have PostGIS certified,
even though OSGeo doesn't legally own the code. (PostGIS
is an OSGeo graduated project).<br class="">
Is that correct?<br class="">
</div>
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<div><br>
</div>
Yes.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""> <br
class="">
Now moving onto OSGeo projects. OSGeo projects are already
encouraged to make use of OGC standards. <br class="">
I'd suggest that our graduation process should encourage
projects to run and pass CITE certification tests for
relevant standards (update to graduation process
required).<br class="">
Part of project build and release processes should involve
verifying CITE tests work. (Update to project processes
required)<br class="">
The passing of CITE certification should be advertised in
OSGeo marketing, such as the OSGeo-Live documentation
(update to OSGeo-Live documentation template required).<br
class="">
For OSGeo Graduated projects, I'd suggest that OSGeo
should consider offering to pay for official CITE testing.
(An incentive for projects to compete graduation). We
would need to consider the business case behind this
before proceeding. <br class="">
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</div>
<div>Great Ideas !</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Luis<br class="">
<br class="">
---------------------------------------------------<br
class="">
Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.<br class="">
Director Compliance Program<br class="">
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)<br class="">
The OGC: Making Location Count<br class="">
<br class="">
Skype: bermudez_luis<br class="">
Twitter: @berdez<br class="">
Tel: +1 301 760 7323<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez">http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez</a><br
class="">
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class="">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/10/2014 1:14 pm, Luis
Bermudez wrote:<br class="">
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cite="mid:16AF4E09-E66F-4F64-9BBD-DEDDADE6619C@opengeospatial.org"
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Hi Cameron, et. al.
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style="border-collapse: separate; font-family:
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class="Apple-style-span"><br class="">
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<div class="">
<div class="">On Oct 14, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Cameron
Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" class="">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Jeff, Jody,<br class="">
I agree that there is value in OSGeo projects
being listed in the OGC portal, and that we should
work out what OGC and OSGeo consider as a
requirement for listing a project.<br class="">
<br class="">
Looking at: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration"
class="">http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration</a><br
class="">
It seems that any application can be registered,
free of charge? </blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Yes.</div>
<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite">To get to the next level of
"certified" or "reference implementation" might
cost more.<br class="">
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">There is no cost if you set up a
server (endpoint) for others to exercise for free.</div>
<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite">Luis, are you able to
explain this further, or point at a URL which
explains costs?<br class="">
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">If you want to pay the fees</div>
<div class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark"
class="">http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark</a></div>
<div class="">in the case of OSGeo it will be $80
per year per product per standard</div>
<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite"><br class="">
I agree with Jeff that we at OSGeo should work out
a process for registering compliant products with
the OGC. I suggest that this should become part of
the OSGeo Incubation process, which in turn should
be referenced from the OSGeo-Live processes.<br
class="">
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
And you need to update the database, for example
every time a new project implements a new standard.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite"><br class="">
Jeff,<br class="">
I notice that MapCache (which I understand is
associated with MapServer) has been registered
separately with OGC, but MapCache is not
referenced as one of our OSGeo projects at: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://osgeo.org/"
class="">http://osgeo.org</a> . I suggest that
we should do something about that.<br class="">
<br class="">
We should be working out what criteria projects
require before they can be listed under an OSGeo
banner on OGC compliant products page. Only
graduated projects? Graduated and Incubating
projects? Any project listed on OSGeo-Live? Any
project which has self registered to be part of
OSGeo Labs? Any Open Source project with some
geospatial functionality?<br class="">
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">The issue is that we need an
organization to be "legally" responsible for the
project that is claiming compliance. This
organization is the one that we will give the
trademark license to use to OGC Certified logo.
The question to ask is: Is OSGeo only legally
responsible for graduated projects?</div>
<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite">I'd like to hear OGC's
thoughts on this. Does the OGC have any quality
requirements for listing applications?<br class="">
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Anyone can list an application in the
OGC implementation database. We clean it
periodically, for example to spot fake
organizations or products. This rarely happens.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Please let me know how else can I
help.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"
class="">- Luis</span><br style="orphans: 2;
widows: 2;" class="">
<br style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">
<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">---------------------------------------------------</span><br
style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">
<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Luis
Bermudez, Ph.D.</span><br style="orphans: 2;
widows: 2;" class="">
<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Director
Compliance Program</span><br style="orphans: 2;
widows: 2;" class="">
<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Open
Geospatial Consortium (OGC)</span><br
style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">
<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">The
OGC: Making Location Count</span><br
style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">
<br style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">
<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Skype:
bermudez_luis</span><br style="orphans: 2;
widows: 2;" class="">
<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Twitter:
@berdez</span><br style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"
class="">
<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Tel:
+1 301 760 7323</span><br style="orphans: 2;
widows: 2;" class="">
<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez"
class="">http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez</a></span><br
style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">
<br style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">
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On 15/10/2014 7:58 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br
class="">
<blockquote type="cite">On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM,
Jeff McKenna wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Jody,<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks for picking up the ball on this.
Actually I had added this topic<br class="">
to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few
weeks ago, but this new<br class="">
Projects list is indeed the best place to
discuss this. Thanks.<br class="">
<br class="">
At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues
with the OGC's Luis<br class="">
Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so
hopefully we can all work<br class="">
together to get things set up here now:<br
class="">
<br class="">
- a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation'
organization/account was<br class="">
created (visible at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/" class="">http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/</a>)<br
class="">
<br class="">
- therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo'
account with password. The<br class="">
contact name is listed as myself and the
contact email is<br class="">
info(at)<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osgeo.org/" class="">osgeo.org</a>.
My plan is/was to motion to the Board this
Thursday<br class="">
to pass the account details to the OSGeo
Secretary, so he/she can help<br class="">
manage/distribute these connection details to
OSGeo Project officers<br class="">
whenever necessary. (we can login at<br
class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration"
class="">http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration</a>)<br
class="">
<br class="">
- goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our
projects) listed under the<br class="">
one OSGeo organization.<br class="">
<br class="">
- the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo
officers (legal representatives<br class="">
of the foundation, and therefore legal
authority over the<br class="">
'product'/project) can submit implementations
etc.<br class="">
<br class="">
- we therefore made a push with the OSGeo
Secretary recently to make<br class="">
sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate
(i.e. who exactly is an<br class="">
officer of OSGeo:<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html"
class="">http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html</a>)<br
class="">
<br class="">
- MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were
transferred from Daniel<br class="">
Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization
account, with the help of<br class="">
Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.<br
class="">
<br class="">
- to answer your questions, this is the
process we must all figure out<br class="">
what is best and makes the most sense, but
personally I believe to get<br class="">
other projects like GeoServer added to the
list, the project's officer<br class="">
should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@)
initially, and then the<br class="">
secretary will provide account access for
submissions etc.<br class="">
</blockquote>
<br class="">
Of course I forgot to mention that in the case
of GeoServer, the records are currently being
maintained by Boundless, and a transfer of sorts
would have to occur.<br class="">
<br class="">
Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all
project officer's opinions. I can then bring
this to the OSGeo Board on Thursday.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite"><br class="">
Some unresolved issues:<br class="">
<br class="">
- there are costs involved in submissions, who
covers these costs?<br class="">
<br class="">
- how do we handle projects/products that are
in Incubation? (such as<br class="">
Rasdaman) Are Incubation projects, and their
lead contact, considered<br class="">
as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo
foundation?<br class="">
<br class="">
Thoughts?<br class="">
<br class="">
Let's all work through this together :)<br
class="">
<br class="">
-jeff<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br
class="">
<blockquote type="cite">OSGeo is now listed as
an organisation by the OGC (see<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products"
class="">http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products</a>).<br
class="">
<br class="">
Questions:<br class="">
- Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to
that list?<br class="">
- Are we in position to run CITE tests and
get implementations certified?<br class="">
<br class="">
-- <br class="">
Jody Garnett<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
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-- <br class="">
Cameron Shorter,<br class="">
Software and Data Solutions Manager<br class="">
LISAsoft<br class="">
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,<br class="">
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009<br class="">
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P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lisasoft.com/" class="">www.lisasoft.com</a>,
F +61 2 9009 5099<br class="">
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