[Qgis-community-team] joomla-version

Tue Jun 3 15:57:48 EDT 2008

Hi Folks

I was sitting here thinking about the 1.0 vs 1.5 debate and the fact
that we are heading for a much simplified web site, and was wondering
if we should not consider just making the site statically (just using
html and css)? Since a CMS is more suited to a continually updated web
site, there may be some advantges to just using 'plain old html and
css' to do it. For one thing we could structure the web site like:

qgis.org
qgis.org/de
etc

each folder could contain a mirror, just translated. Also we could
keep the whole thing in SVN which would add the advantages of a good
version control system. Also we wont need to worry about sql injection
etc attacks. Another advantage is that we could mirror the different
languages onto different servers or mirror the whole site easily
around different servers.

Its just a thought anyway...

Regards

Tim

2008/6/3 Otto Dassau <otto.dassau at gmx.de>:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:26:52 +0200
> Thomas Becker <thomasgeo at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Otto and Stephan,
>>
>> I am quite new to the community and have no background on the decisions
>> made to use Joomla as the CMS for the web page. Personally I started to
>> use Joomla 1.0 some what two years ago and everything went fine until
>> the page got hacked due to a lack of security in a gallery module.
>>
>> As far as I know you will highly run into problems if you want to have a
>> flashy page. But thats something I doubt! Joomla 1.0 and 1.5 as well
>> coming with many possibilities to present the content in a nice way.
>>
>> According to the security I was reading a lot in the community pages and
>> it always comes down to a well established htaccess file. Everything
>> related to third party modules is your risk.
>>
>> Although I really like Joomla, have you ever been thinking about using
>> Typo3? I know it takes more resources at the surfer side but this is
>> secure. I don't know how they managed to do this but they have a check
>> system running and separate trusted and non-trusted extensions.
>
> Typo3 is a very powerful as far as I know, but our web team is experienced in
> using joomla so it doesn't make sense to switch to another CMS, especially
> because we also made good experiences with joomla so there is no need to
> for change AFAICS.
>
>> When I was talking with the Joomla community about a system like this,
>> they have becoming mad. It takes to much effort to establish a system
>> like this and who should check all the code...
>>
>> On the other hand somehow it must work, when you see who is using Joomla:
>>
>> * Belgian Locale Police
>> * United Nations Regional Information Centre
>>
>> and so on.
>>
>> Question is also multi language support of the web page. Are you
>> intended to do so?
>
> This is a good question, I was also thinking about that and would vote for it,
> because the new web presence is going to present only clear and limited
> information that won't change every week. Therefore it would be great to have at
> least the oportunity to translate these texts in different languages... what do
> others think about that?
>
>> I have been talking with the Joomla guys on the Linux Tag in Berlin some
>> days ago and they have been pointing me on a new component called Nooku
>> which is highly integrated into the Joomla 1.5 framework. Nevertheless
>> multilanguage support is also part of Typo3
>
> I have made good experiences with joomfish, it works on 1.0 without any
> problems. nooku seems to be the alternative for 1.5 - right?
>
>> However, if the decision is made for Joomla I would like to offer you
>> some of my time to support you. I am not so familiar in building
>> templates or adjust them either in Joomla or Typo, but I am working
>> already quite some time as an author on both systems.
>
> great Thomas, thanks a lot for your offer and I am sure we will find some tasks
> for you :-). BTW - maybe you haven't read the recent mails about the qgis
> documentation. We would also need some volunteers to update the manual sections
> according to some just define style conventions by Tara. And because I know you
> work with latex this might be interesting for you as well?
>
> please have a look at the archive:
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-community-team/2008-June/000105.html
>
> best regards,
>  Otto
>
>> Cheers, Thomas
>>
>> Otto Dassau schrieb:
>> > Hi (Stephan),
>> >
>> > I just found that we (probably) get in trouble using joomla 1.5, because the
>> > "new" server only provides PHP 5.0.4 and this causes various problems as far
>> > as I found on several web pages.
>> >
>> > e.g.: The joomla 1.5 installation guide says: "Do not use PHP 4.3.9, PHP
>> > 4.4.2 or PHP 5.0.4" -> http://help.joomla.org/content/view/1938/310/
>> >
>> > For joomla 1.0 everything seems to be fine. As far as I found out the server
> is
>> > a fedora core 4, php 5.0.4, mysql 4.1.20. This is like joomla 1.0 not new
> but
>> > stable, so it might fit very well? ;-).
>> >
>> > So if you don't mind too much, I would propose to use latest 1.0 version for
> the
>> > web pages, because this would be secure, cause less work and probably
> trouble,
>> > especially because there are other projects (GRASS,GDAL,...) using the
>> > ressources, too.
>> >
>> > If you agree (especially Stephan), I would be happy and can start to prepair
>> > everything :). Otherwise I can of course contact the SAC and try to find
> another
>> > solution. But they already told me, that thei support for our server is
> pretty
>> > limited and small from their side.
>> >
>> > kind regards,
>> >  Otto
>> >
>> > On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:57:08 +0200
>> > Stephan Reber <stephan.reber at sr-gis.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I have searched for information about the two joomla versions. The main
>> >> security problems of joomla in general are extensions and wrong
>> >> settings. This is indepedant from the used version. Here is a overview
>> >> of the points about security and the support I found.
>> >>
>> >> Joomla1.0:
>> >>
>> >>     * long time experience with security problems
>> >>     * stable
>> >>     * many extensions with experience about their security
>> >>     * only security patches for a certain time (depends on how long 1.0
>> >>       is widely used, there isn't a deadline yet)
>> >>     * there is no update to newer versions of PHP and MySQL in the future
>> >>
>> >> Jooma1.5
>> >>
>> >>     * new security architecture (short time experience)
>> >>     * stable
>> >>     * fewer extensions (unsecure?)
>> >>     * support for a longer time
>> >>     * PHP5 works good, PHP4 may cause some problems (performance,
> stability)
>> >>     * there will be support of newer versions of PHP and MySQL
>> >>     * with the update to 1.6 (in the last quarter of 2008) there will be
>> >>       a access control list and only support of PHP5.2+.
>> >>
>> >> I hope, this will help us with the decision. I tried to be neutral,
>> >> though I argumented for the newer version in my last emails. But it is
>> >> not so important for me which version we use, as long as the website
>> >> works fine.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Stephan
>> >>
>> >>
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