<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>A lot has been said, there are topics within the topic and I would like to reply to each that I couldn't.</div><div>Thanks Cameron to raise (again) this issue we all know already. But it's sometimes good to hear things from people outside (though you are not really outside). As I said in the GDocs, imho it's unfortunate to not assign a senior writer to QGIS. I was personally envisioning that as a catalyzer, an opportunity to trigger mobilisation of the writing community, and teach us actual and best practices. And maybe that experience would confirm us that we need that profile you seem to propose in later message. Anyways... we'll try to keep Jared around, if he agrees of course.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 29 août 2019 à 08:24, Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com">tim@kartoza.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Hi<div><div><div><br></div><div>I have a different opinion on this. Based on our experience of paying developers I don’t think it has in any way reduced the volunteer contributions to the code base - on the contrary it  probably has incentivised those that we paid to donate lots more of their time. I am pretty sure that we will have similar experience in other areas of the project. I am more bullish on documentation and thank that we should work enthusiastically to get one or more dedicated, full time document writers in the QGIS project….over and over we here it is the most wanting part of the project. The biggest problem we have is that we need a better platform for authoring and managing the docs so that you dont first need a degree in rocket science before you can participate :-P</div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>As far as I can tell, all you need is a web browser and a github account. It's enough to address some of the "Easy" tagged issues [0] we identify for beginners. You don't even need to browse the repository files, we have links in page footer that directly open the right source file. But given that I regularly read people mentioning that the workflow is the problem, I wonder How big is that? Do we have any metrics (or reports) that this is what discourages people from contributing. I'm used to it so I'm probably blind and not the right person to evaluate but I'd like to hear what are the actual features that are problematic.<br></div><div>We've written a step-by-step contribution doc for beginners years ago [1] and try to improve it over the years. Maybe it's not clear enough or it's not just enough or nobody is aware of it (other than Australian of course, Andrew) but without feedback, it's hard to know what people want.</div><div><br></div><div>I remember years ago, Tim on behalf of the PSC made a call for doc contributions [2]. No git, no github, no rst, simply provide a .txt (or whatever you are used to) file that addresses a doc issue. So clearly, no degree required. We got, from memories, no more than two reports though I only can find one [3]. <br></div><div>I don't know where the issue resides given all the options we all have already tried. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I suggest working out a budget for this, to check how feasible this<br>solution can be, before taking further steps.<br>Another radically different solution would be to embrace the chaotic<br>approach, and leave the user browsing the thousands of web resources to<br>get help, and keep official documentation to an absolute bare minimum<br>that we can effectively managed by the core team. I'm not a fan of this<br>solution, but it what is currently happening.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Yeah! This is why I suggested months ago that we made a "User question of the month" on where/how people learn QGIS features and whether they know about and use our docs. It does not make sense to invest in something nobody uses, right? Unfortunately, we did not make it. Maybe should we.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm glad to confirm there are a lot of people concerned by the docs status and I wish we find tangible actions that revitalize QGIS docs (if it's what the project and the community need). Thanks Cameron. But I must also confess that I'm jealous of this thread and disappointed I got no reply to my less-than-a-week wishlist message [4] that intended to help QGIS Docs **actual writers**.<br></div><div><br></div><div>[0] <a href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AEasy">https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AEasy</a></div><div>[1] <a href="https://docs.qgis.org/testing/en/docs/documentation_guidelines/first_contribution.html">https://docs.qgis.org/testing/en/docs/documentation_guidelines/first_contribution.html</a></div><div>[2] <a href="http://blog.qgis.org/2017/12/04/documentation-for-qgis-3-0-call-for-contributions/">http://blog.qgis.org/2017/12/04/documentation-for-qgis-3-0-call-for-contributions/</a></div><div>[3] <a href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues?q=is%3Aissue+label%3AEasy+label%3A%22Prose+Proposed%22+is%3Aclosed">https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues?q=is%3Aissue+label%3AEasy+label%3A%22Prose+Proposed%22+is%3Aclosed</a></div><div>[4] <a href="http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Qgis-community-team-Documentation-wish-list-for-quot-hackfesters-quot-td5413960.html">http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Qgis-community-team-Documentation-wish-list-for-quot-hackfesters-quot-td5413960.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Harrissou<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><div><div></div><div><br></div><div>Yeah me too as mentioned above.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Tim</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br>Cheers.<br>-- <br>Paolo Cavallini - <a href="http://www.faunalia.eu" target="_blank">www.faunalia.eu</a><br><a href="http://QGIS.ORG" target="_blank">QGIS.ORG</a> Chair:<br><a href="http://planet.qgis.org/planet/user/28/tag/qgis%20board/" target="_blank">http://planet.qgis.org/planet/user/28/tag/qgis%20board/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>Qgis-community-team mailing list for organizing community resources such as documentation, translation etc..<br><a href="mailto:Qgis-community-team@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Qgis-community-team@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-community-team" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-community-team</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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