<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>I would say add CAD tools within QGIS, </div><div><br></div><div>1. Extend </div><div>2. Trim</div><div>3. Snapping environment</div><div>4. digitise using either icons or commands on a console</div><div>5. Intersection, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>CAD tools are faster for digitising and more precise, having that possibility from within QGIS would make it so much better, I find digitising in QGIS very limited so for me right now its not to a point I can recommend it since in my industry we do a lot of complex shapes and edits.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:100%">Sent from Samsung tablet</div></div> <br>Bernhard Ströbl <bernhard.stroebl@jena.de> wrote:<br>Hi Diego,<br><br>based on a discussion [1] on this list a couple of months ago I started <br>coding some of the missing tools as my time allows. This is going to be <br>a Python plugin made from scratch.<br>What I do have right now is:<br>1) Dissolve multi geometries (code from Alexandre Neto's plugin)<br>2) Split feature with feature of another layer<br>3) Cut out feature with polygon of another layer<br><br>I can share what I have on github. Maybe you want to have a look or join in.<br><br>What would be the tools you have in mind (I do not know LibreCAD)?<br><br>Bernhard<br><br><br>[1] <br>http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/more-advanced-editing-tools-td5019552.html<br><br>Am 22.04.2013 13:29, schrieb Diego Gnesi Bartolani:<br>> Hi Bernhard,<br>><br>> I'll take your opinion into account. I'm still in a preliminary phase<br>> and I'm still deciding. I verified that adding shapefile support to<br>> LibreCAD is relatively simple, due to the good architecture of<br>> LibreCAD's IO and geometry classes. Now I'll test how hard is adding<br>> advanced cad tools to QGIS and how much time it can require to me.<br>> Then I'll compare all the pros and cons of the two solutions and I'll<br>> start to work. I need to finish the work before september, when I'll<br>> have to use it in my job).<br>> I'm not an expert of the QGIS API, and I need to study the source code<br>> and the documentation in order to know precisely how can I interact<br>> with QGIS while drawing:<br>><br>> - changing the snapping behavior and override the default one when required;<br>> - having context menus with CTRL + right click (like on AutoCAD);<br>> - drawing temporary entities (i.e. to trace extension lines);<br>> - forcing the pointer to move along specific directions inside the map canvas;<br>> - fast accessing to vertices, lines and angles of the existing shapes,<br>> also for polygons.<br>><br>> I also need to understand if I can do all these things from a plugin<br>> or do I need to make changes to the QGIS source code (I'll try to<br>> avoid this).<br>> I'll update this threads with all my progresses in the next days.<br>><br>> Diego<br>><br>> 2013/4/22 Bernhard Ströbl<bernhard.stroebl@jena.de>:<br>>> Hi Diego,<br>>><br>>> some of my users with more complex editing tasks (and familiar with CAD<br>>> software) are complaining about not having similar possibilities in QGIS and<br>>> I admit that our CAD has much more to offer in that respect (snapping,<br>>> construction), so thanks for the move.<br>>> IMHO the best would be to have CAD-like functions in QGIS (strategy #1)<br>>> because<br>>> 1) many people missing these functions already might use some CAD or another<br>>> to get their work done and are exchanging data between the two systems (with<br>>> all problems), so strategy #2 would simply exchange their CAD software (if<br>>> they are willing to change)<br>>> 2) and more important: many things that work in CAD do not work in GIS and<br>>> vice versa, e.g. CAD: line color, hatching, dimensioning...., GIS:<br>>> attributes. Splines could be resolved into polylines, resembling the<br>>> original spline, though. In short words: CAD is about drawing, GIS is about<br>>> data modelling. So if you have the functions in QGIS you can more easily<br>>> prevent users from doing silly things.<br>>><br>>> my 2 ct<br>>><br>>> Bernhard<br>>><br>>> Am 21.04.2013 12:52, schrieb Diego Gnesi Bartolani:<br>>>><br>>>> Hi,<br>>>><br>>>> Yesterday I posted in a wrong thread, so I'm opening a new one. I'll<br>>>> copy and paste the previous message and add some notes. Sorry for the<br>>>> mess!<br>>>><br>>>> Original post:<br>>>><br>>>> I am an Italian archaeologist and an enthusiastic QGIS user. I do what<br>>>> I can to spread the knowledge about QGIS and other open source<br>>>> softwares to my university students (I am a contract professor at the<br>>>> Basilicata University and some days ago I've become contract professor<br>>>> at the Specialization School of Archeology of Udin, Venice and<br>>>> Trieste). The main difficulty I have with open source GIS is the<br>>>> advanced editing of vector layers. QGIS doesn't offer too much support<br>>>> for digitizing, the CAD Tools plugin has some useful functions but is<br>>>> far from being complete and the kind of interaction that it proposes<br>>>> is not very productive and time-saving (it's not a critic: CAD Tools<br>>>> saved my life a lot of time, and I want to thank the developers and<br>>>> maintainers). Many times, I had to convert my vector layers to dxf and<br>>>> back in order to perform some complex tasks (with all kind of<br>>>> conversion problems, like the preservation of the attributes values,<br>>>> etc.).<br>>>> I have some experience in programming (about ten years of<br>>>> developement, mainly in C# with the .NET Framework, before I switched<br>>>> to Linux), and I would like to try (only try, without promising<br>>>> anything!!) to implement complete CAD tools and functions (If there<br>>>> isn't and analogous project already active; in that case, nevermind!).<br>>>><br>>>> I think that developing a CAD plugin from scratch is very hard to me<br>>>> and maybe not the better way to get good results, so I'm oriented to<br>>>> try to augment the interaction between QGIS and an existing CAD<br>>>> software (I'm thinking to LibreCAD). I thought to two possible<br>>>> strategies:<br>>>><br>>>> 1. Use the LibreCAD library and source code to develop a C++ QGIS plugin;<br>>>> 2. Create a shapefile/spatialite/postgis driver for LibreCAD in order<br>>>> to edit those formats inside LibreCAD.<br>>>> 3. Convert some layers of the QGIS project in a dxf file and back<br>>>> (each QGIS layer in a different layer of the final dxf file).<br>>>><br>>>> I'm asking your opinion about which of those ways could be the faster<br>>>> or the better to implement, or which one is impossible to undertake<br>>>> according to your knowledge of the QGIS API.<br>>>><br>>>> My doubts are:<br>>>><br>>>> Strategy #1: Probably the ideal one, but does the implementation of<br>>>> complex snaps or constraints against the features of other layers<br>>>> (i.e. midpoint, parallels, etc.) require changes to the QGIS API, or<br>>>> all these operations can be contained on a plugin? Is it better to<br>>>> work directly on QGIS vector layers or to create a plugin layer, edit<br>>>> it and then commit the changes to the vector layer? The conversion<br>>>> could help me to manage geometries in the way LibreCAD wants. Is it<br>>>> possible in your opinion to have an interactive shell (i.e. draw the<br>>>> first point, and then inserting the coordinates of the second point)?<br>>>><br>>>> Strategy #2: Probably the easier, but I should find a way to disable<br>>>> some LibreCAD functions (i.e. the drawing of splines, or the drawing<br>>>> of points on a line layer) without disseminating my changes all over<br>>>> LibreCAD's source files. For this kind of solution I'll ask to the<br>>>> developers of LibreCAD.<br>>>><br>>>> Strategy #3: The problem is on committing the changes of the dxf file<br>>>> to the original layer: how to specify that a line in the dxf file must<br>>>> replace the geometry of and existing record of the original spatialite<br>>>> layer? Maybe it's impossible, it doesn't seem to me that I can put on<br>>>> a dxf file the necessary metadata to preserve a link to the original<br>>>> features.<br>>>><br>>>> What do you think? And what do you actually do when you have to draw<br>>>> complex shapes on shapefiles or other vector layers?<br>>>><br>>>> NEW COMMENTS:<br>>>><br>>>> - Antonio Locandro is compiling a list of required CAD features. It<br>>>> would be very useful, so please Antonio, get me a link to this list<br>>>> when it's finished.<br>>>> - The more I explore QGIS and LibreCAD source codes, the more I'm<br>>>> convincing that integrating LibreCAD's tools on QGIS is very<br>>>> difficult, and it would be easier to develop those tools from scratch.<br>>>> To get the best results in a short amount of time, I think that I<br>>>> could work to make shapefiles and other vector layers editable in<br>>>> LibreCAD (using GDAL). This solution has the issue that it doesn't<br>>>> allow to snap to other QGIS layers, nevertheless it could be of great<br>>>> help and available in a reasonable amount of time. Then, when I have<br>>>> more practice with QGIS and LibreCAD APIs, I'll try to do something<br>>>> better (i.e. develop a "QGIS driver" for LibreCAD in order to open the<br>>>> whole QGIS project in LibreCAD, organized by layers).<br>>>> I'm waiting for the answers to an analogous thread in LibreCAD's mailing<br>>>> list:<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> http://forum.librecad.org/Using-LibreCAD-s-tools-on-GIS-vector-layers-td5707930.html<br>>>><br>>>> I think that I'm going to work on this project in a few weeks.<br>>>><br>>>> Let me know what do you think and if you have suggestions.<br>>>><br>>>> Diego Gnesi<br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> Qgis-developer mailing list<br>>>> Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org<br>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> __________ Information from ESET Mail Security, version of virus signature<br>>>> database 8250 (20130421) __________<br>>>><br>>>> The message was checked by ESET Mail Security.<br>>>> http://www.eset.com<br>>>><br>>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> __________ Information from ESET Mail Security, version of virus signature<br>>> database 8252 (20130422) __________<br>>><br>>> The message was checked by ESET Mail Security.<br>>> http://www.eset.com<br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Qgis-developer mailing list<br>>> Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org<br>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer<br>><br>><br>> __________ Information from ESET Mail Security, version of virus signature database 8252 (20130422) __________<br>><br>> The message was checked by ESET Mail Security.<br>> http://www.eset.com<br>><br>><br><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Mail Security, version of virus signature database 8253 (20130422) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Mail Security.<br>http://www.eset.com<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Qgis-developer mailing list<br>Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org<br>http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer<br></body>