Hi Marco,<div>I'm afraid I respectfully disagree. A "short adaptation period" won't make the icons more obvious.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not a big QGIS user. If I want to use /any/ function in QGIS, I have to stare at the icons and use the tooltips to figure out what button does what, so I'm not "adapted" to the 1.8 set, let alone the 2.x ones.<br>
<div><br></div>
<div>That said, when I look at the 2.0 set what I see is many icons that are almost identical. Any icon that is only ~3% different from its neighbour (i.e. the database ones) is never going to be any good for its purpose. I'd imagine people with a visual impairment may struggle even more.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also remember, not all users navigate by knowing where the buttons are (in fact, most don't). For those users you *have* to have a good set of icons that are easily differentiated at a glance.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I think colour would be a start, but the designs themselves are still too similar.</div><div><br></div><div>I think resolving this in time for the 2.x release makes sense. Otherwise those who do learn these icons will have to re-learn them for 2.1. It doesn't make sense to change something as fundamental as the iconography twice in as many releases.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Just my 2p.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind Regards,</div><div>Jonathan</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 May 2013 13:23, Marco Bernasocchi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marco@bernawebdesign.ch" target="_blank">marco@bernawebdesign.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Agree as well with Werner and Anita.<br>
It is just matter of a short adaptation period.<br>
<br>
Ciao<div><br>
<br>
On 05/24/2013 01:34 PM, Anita Graser wrote:<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
-1. I agree with Werner. Having used the "gis" icon set for many months,<br>
I have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human mind works.<br>
Let's improve the "gis" icons where it makes sense but let us focus or<br>
work on one set.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
Anita<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Werner Macho <<a href="mailto:werner.macho@gmail.com" target="_blank">werner.macho@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:werner.macho@gmail.com" target="_blank">werner.macho@gmail.com</a><u></u>>> wrote:<br>
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Hi!<br>
<br>
-1 for keeping the old Icons..<br>
<br>
I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid of them<br>
afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different sets of<br>
icons ..<br>
And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it does indeed<br>
make sense to use it probably in every open source GIS ..<br>
<br>
I know that the first time might be hard but that"s just the usual<br>
human behaviour of refusing new things.<br>
But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a very long<br>
time (to use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find everything<br>
at once but rather have some kind of problems when I switch to the<br>
old ones..<br>
<br>
So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset within a few<br>
days .. It"s just human that every "more work" you have to do gets<br>
refused at first regardless of the advatnages it might bring later<br>
<br>
So maybe for a period of migration I"d leave the old icons inside<br>
but definitely not for 2.1 or later ..<br>
<br>
OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion<br>
<br>
kind regards<br>
Werner<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira <<a href="mailto:DCarreira@edia.pt" target="_blank">DCarreira@edia.pt</a><br></div><div>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:DCarreira@edia.pt" target="_blank">DCarreira@edia.pt</a>>> wrote:<br>
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I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the old and<br>
trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite<br>
uplifting. The new set may be technically better but is not as<br>
friendly to users.<br>
<br>
Please keep both.<br>
<br>
Duarte<br>
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*Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons -<div><br>
difficult to "read"<br>
<br>
+1<br>
<br>
i.e. The difference between the "Add PostGIS layers" and "Add<br>
SpatiaLite layers" is that one has a regular cylinder and the<br>
other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels<br>
are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look<br>
at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still<br>
MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which<br>
using this system will only confuse things more.<br>
<br>
Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but<br>
they're really hard to visually differentiate.<br>
<br>
I did a quick google and came across this:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/" target="_blank">http://turbomilk.com/blog/<u></u>cookbook/icon_design/10_<u></u>mistakes_in_icon_design/</a><br>
<br>
The QGIS icons do all of the top three things.<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus<br>
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that could be a useful option.<br>
sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are<br>
unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only<br>
because now i<br>
remberer relative position<br>
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