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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Just to reinforce the point raised<div><br></div><div>The pan icon currently in Master are four arrows which are more associated with moving a graphic or a nudge, I would think the most well known symbol for that would be the famous little hand to pan<br><div><br>Cheers<br><strong></strong> <br><strong>Ing. Antonio Locandro</strong><br>Tegucigalpa, Honduras<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: jonathanmoules@warwickshire.gov.uk<br>Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:55:17 +0100<br>To: anitagraser@gmx.at<br>CC: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org<br>Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to "read"<br><br>Hi Anita,<div><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. </blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>Fair point, but that's why I also compared other GIS's where I could (ArcGIS, MapModeller (FME Data Inspector uses the refresh circle but doesn't have a back/forward feature) and noted that they hold the same convention.</div>
<div>Also, that was only one single example, there are others.</div><div>These days people *expect* certain icons for certain things. To use a different icon throws away the years of pre-training the user will have already have using other applications that stuck to the convention.</div>
<div><br></div>I don't think I've ever seen a single application that had 10 icons that were mostly the same before in the same that the magnifying glass ones in QGIS 2.0 are.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div>
<div>Jonathan<br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 28 May 2013 11:11, Anita Graser <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anitagraser@gmx.at" target="_blank">anitagraser@gmx.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hi,<br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote"><div class="ecxim">On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Moules <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jonathanmoules@warwickshire.gov.uk" target="_blank">jonathanmoules@warwickshire.gov.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="ecxim">+1 for unified data adding button. From a use-perspective there's no good reason that raster adding should be separate from vectors for instance<br>
</div><div class="ecxim"><div>In depth example: take the Back, Next, and Refresh view icons. The new QGIS icons all have a magnifying glass behind them (I can barely make out the "refresh" circle). Why? In comparison, I have four web-browsers in front of me, all have these buttons and all of them are simple arrows/refresh circles. None of them have a picture of a web-page behind them.</div>
<div>ArcGIS and MapModeller both use simple arrows/circles too. MapInfo doesn't seem to have this functionality. </div><div>At this point these icons are standard conventions, but the QGIS 2.0 iconography makes that part only 1/6th of the actual icon, instead giving prominence to a magnifying glass that's entirely unnecessary.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>While I agree to some degree (+1 for unified data adding button), I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Anita </div></div>
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