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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Antonio,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One area of difference with CyberTracker is that it captures data as name+value pairs. Converting to shape file attributes therefore tends to be lossy. Alternatively, one data set point might be able to populate several shape file attributes. I’m not sure how to deal with this yet, but my thinking is that we would go simple and fully automatic first. The integration involves converting a shape to a data model, sending the data model to CyberTracker and managing the return of the data.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For the purposes of analysis, I’m thinking that any feature that CyberTracker has that is not in QGIS yet, would be built in parallel over time. We have relatively simple charts (like effort, distance travelled, etc), but also something called Index of Abundance which would be nice to have open (if it’s not already there).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Justin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Antonio Locandro [mailto:antoniolocandro@hotmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 7, 2013 9:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Justin Steventon<br><b>Cc:</b> qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thats understandable the differences, now Justin can you specify more about how would you like to make the integration<br> <br>I am thinking you would probably want to do the data collection using CyberTracker, then export it or download it to be used within QGIS. Now what is it that you would want to do with the data inside QGIS? Depending on your goals you may want to create a plugin that would take the data and do certain predefined analysis<br> <br>Regards<br>Antonio Locandro<br><br><br><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: <a href="mailto:justin@steventon.com">justin@steventon.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:antoniolocandro@hotmail.com">antoniolocandro@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:madmanwoo@gmail.com">madmanwoo@gmail.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>Subject: RE: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration<br>Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 13:47:37 -0700<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Antonio,</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, similar to Fulcrum.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve been following them for a while now and think they are doing a lot of things right. They’re missing a few components that are important for us, e.g. full offline (for security) and support for a number of in-field scenarios. It’s possible these features will be created over time. The proprietary nature of Fulcrum would tend to turn off some potential groups in the same way as it occasionally has for us. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So far, we have not seen meaningful support for low literate users in any major product. As more and more folks have smart phones, this may pick up. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Justin</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Antonio Locandro [<a href="mailto:antoniolocandro@hotmail.com">mailto:antoniolocandro@hotmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Justin Steventon; 'Nathan Woodrow'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Justin<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think your project seems a little bit similar to <a href="http://fulcrumapp.com/" target="_blank">http://fulcrumapp.com/</a> <a href="http://fulcrumapp.com/features/" target="_blank">http://fulcrumapp.com/features/</a> for field data collection, maybe just missing the part for people who can read or write<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>What they do is capture data using custom forms on the field and then you sync over the internet on the cloud, once on a computer you can export the data to use with GIS software and create PDF reports<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Probably a similar approach? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>Antonio Locandro<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: <a href="mailto:justin@steventon.com">justin@steventon.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:madmanwoo@gmail.com">madmanwoo@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 23:07:25 -0700<br>CC: <a href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That’s true, I missed the concept of a form in the description on the site. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My interest is in a rich, user friendly data capture experience, especially for cases where the field user is not a QGIS user and may not be able to read or write. Our studies indicate that this is also a more efficient way to capture data for literate users. Over the years we’ve rolled our own mini-GIS for the desktop, but the scalability of this approach is clearly limited. Since we’re a non-profit and in the process of opening our code, it makes sense to leverage an existing system. Of the solutions I have investigated, QGIS seems most aligned at the technical level.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We do bring some interesting work to the table. Our client supports Windows Mobile and Android and has a large library of customizable UI components which can capture many different data types, including images and sound. There is also support for timer tracks and a field map.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m pretty new to the Open Source community, so apologies if this is off. I’m probably going about this all wrong.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Justin</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nathan Woodrow [<a href="mailto:madmanwoo@gmail.com">mailto:madmanwoo@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Justin Steventon<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>My project isn't about putting QGIS onto PDA. QGIS doesn't run on PDAs and I doubt it ever will.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>QMap is meant to be a field collection version of QGIS.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>- Nathan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Justin Steventon <<a href="mailto:justin@steventon.com" target="_blank">justin@steventon.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks Jürgen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I see Nathan’s project is really about putting a stripped down version of QGIS onto a PDA. Nevertheless, it’s impressive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>CyberTracker is designed more as a data capture conduit – highly customizable UI (via XML) that can be used even by low-literate folks. Integration with QGIS would be great.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If anyone is interested in a collaboration, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-Justin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Qgis-developer mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org">Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>_______________________________________________ Qgis-developer mailing list <a href="mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org">Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a> <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>