<div dir="auto"><div>I appreciate your viewpoint and assessment very much, Jonathan.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I trust the board heeds your advise and lead towards focused investment in those things that matter to the majority users.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you,</div><div dir="auto"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 1:12 PM <<a href="mailto:qgis-developer-request@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-developer-request@lists.osgeo.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send QGIS-Developer mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. QGIS Server and the Grants programme (Jonathan Moules)<br>
2. Plugin [383] Buffer by Percentage approval notification.<br>
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3. Re: QGIS Server and the Grants programme (Tim Sutton)<br>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 21:42:25 +0100<br>
From: Jonathan Moules <<a href="mailto:jonathan-lists@lightpear.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jonathan-lists@lightpear.com</a>><br>
To: QGIS Developer Mailing List <<a href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
Subject: [QGIS-Developer] QGIS Server and the Grants programme<br>
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Hi List,<br>
Some of you may have seen my blog post on the OSGeo-Discuss list about <br>
which mapping servers are the most deployed. For those who haven't seen <br>
it, QGIS Server has about 60 public deployments (1% of all of them), and <br>
it serves 11,924 datasets (0.5% of all public geospatial <br>
WMS/WFS/WCS/WMTS datasets).<br>
<br>
Potentially controversial here and I appreciate it's not a competition, <br>
but given the low uptake of QGIS Server compared to other Open Source <br>
offerings (GeoServer: 964 deployments, 963,603 datasets; MapServer: 544 <br>
deployments, 389,709 datasets), is QGIS Server something the grant <br>
program should be funding? There are three Server proposals totalling <br>
€10,000, 22% of the fund.<br>
<br>
Now, before you get the pitchforks out(!), please consider the following:<br>
<br>
* Zero sum game - Any money spent on QGIS Server cannot be spent on QGIS <br>
Desktop. (The grants mostly aren't things that will improve the shared <br>
QGIS Core). (This reasoning also follows through to OSGeo funds).<br>
<br>
* Multiple solutions - Open Source (and OSGeo) already has a very <br>
healthy ecosystem of mapping servers - does it need another one?<br>
<br>
* Limited number of users benefited - I don't have stats for it, but <br>
QGIS Desktop is probably the most popular Open Source Desktop GIS, and <br>
is certainly going to have many orders of magnitude more users than QGIS <br>
Server.<br>
<br>
* Playing to your strengths - QGIS' strength is it's Desktop and it's <br>
generally good practice to play to your strengths.<br>
<br>
<br>
So given the above, and that QGIS is already "winning" as an Open Source <br>
Desktop (great job!), I'd like to suggest it's not a good idea to dilute <br>
the limited resources by spending them on QGIS Server. Instead it seems <br>
that far more people would benefit if that money was spent on Desktop, <br>
especially the bug fixing programme.<br>
<br>
Or alternatively, given the "Unique Selling Point" of QGIS Server is its <br>
integration with QGIS Desktop, those resources could be used to further <br>
improve interoperability with GeoServer/MapServer/deegree/etc. Those are <br>
all successful mature OSGeo projects that excel at serving maps, have an <br>
architecture designed for it, and already have huge install bases.<br>
<br>
TLDR: QGIS excels at being a Desktop, and I'd like to suggest it should <br>
play to its strengths and focus its limited funds there to benefit the <br>
most users.<br>
<br>
I shall now retreat to my bunker. :-)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jonathan<br>
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Note: The above only applies to the Grant program and funding; how <br>
developers wish to spend their time, and on which projects is of course <br>
their own prerogative.<br>
<br>
(Disclosure: I have no horse in this race; I don't run or administer any <br>
mapping servers, but I have done GeoServer in the past.)<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 21:23:42 -0000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:noreply@qgis.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noreply@qgis.org</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:juernjakob@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">juernjakob@gmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: [QGIS-Developer] Plugin [383] Buffer by Percentage approval<br>
notification.<br>
Message-ID: <20200608212342.2210.78484@2c6504964296><br>
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Plugin Buffer by Percentage approval by zimbogisgeek.<br>
The plugin version "[383] Buffer by Percentage 0.3.3" is now approved<br>
Link: <a href="http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/BufferByPercentage/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/BufferByPercentage/</a><br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 00:09:13 +0100<br>
From: Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">tim@kartoza.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:jonathan-lists@lightpear.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jonathan-lists@lightpear.com</a><br>
Cc: QGIS Developer <<a href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [QGIS-Developer] QGIS Server and the Grants programme<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:D277D1E1-B3B5-439F-99EA-C4B6969E352E@kartoza.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">D277D1E1-B3B5-439F-99EA-C4B6969E352E@kartoza.com</a>><br>
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Hi<br>
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Nice, thoughtful message below, thanks Jonathon. I wonder what it will take to move the needle above 1%? And whether we should try to use our funds to make that happen. QGIS is surely the most expressive way to do cartography of any GIS out there (acknowledging total bias on my part) and seeing that cartography on the web would surely please many people. Clients like QWC, QWC2 or anything that requires you to hand edit a config file or log into a unix shell to publish map services are probably the main limitation (no offence to those tools). Also the lack of an built in tiling server (with proper metalling and meta buffering) must surely be the other. Maybe a more useful approach to your discussion below would be to promote funding the elements that add resistance to deploying QGIS server……but then we would be in new feature space and circling back to the idea of not funding QGIS Server with grants…..<br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
Tim<br>
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> On 8 Jun 2020, at 21:42, Jonathan Moules <<a href="mailto:jonathan-lists@lightpear.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jonathan-lists@lightpear.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi List,<br>
> Some of you may have seen my blog post on the OSGeo-Discuss list about which mapping servers are the most deployed. For those who haven't seen it, QGIS Server has about 60 public deployments (1% of all of them), and it serves 11,924 datasets (0.5% of all public geospatial WMS/WFS/WCS/WMTS datasets).<br>
> <br>
> Potentially controversial here and I appreciate it's not a competition, but given the low uptake of QGIS Server compared to other Open Source offerings (GeoServer: 964 deployments, 963,603 datasets; MapServer: 544 deployments, 389,709 datasets), is QGIS Server something the grant program should be funding? There are three Server proposals totalling €10,000, 22% of the fund.<br>
> <br>
> Now, before you get the pitchforks out(!), please consider the following:<br>
> <br>
> * Zero sum game - Any money spent on QGIS Server cannot be spent on QGIS Desktop. (The grants mostly aren't things that will improve the shared QGIS Core). (This reasoning also follows through to OSGeo funds).<br>
> <br>
> * Multiple solutions - Open Source (and OSGeo) already has a very healthy ecosystem of mapping servers - does it need another one?<br>
> <br>
> * Limited number of users benefited - I don't have stats for it, but QGIS Desktop is probably the most popular Open Source Desktop GIS, and is certainly going to have many orders of magnitude more users than QGIS Server.<br>
> <br>
> * Playing to your strengths - QGIS' strength is it's Desktop and it's generally good practice to play to your strengths.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> So given the above, and that QGIS is already "winning" as an Open Source Desktop (great job!), I'd like to suggest it's not a good idea to dilute the limited resources by spending them on QGIS Server. Instead it seems that far more people would benefit if that money was spent on Desktop, especially the bug fixing programme.<br>
> <br>
> Or alternatively, given the "Unique Selling Point" of QGIS Server is its integration with QGIS Desktop, those resources could be used to further improve interoperability with GeoServer/MapServer/deegree/etc. Those are all successful mature OSGeo projects that excel at serving maps, have an architecture designed for it, and already have huge install bases.<br>
> <br>
> TLDR: QGIS excels at being a Desktop, and I'd like to suggest it should play to its strengths and focus its limited funds there to benefit the most users.<br>
> <br>
> I shall now retreat to my bunker. :-)<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Jonathan<br>
> <br>
> Note: The above only applies to the Grant program and funding; how developers wish to spend their time, and on which projects is of course their own prerogative.<br>
> <br>
> (Disclosure: I have no horse in this race; I don't run or administer any mapping servers, but I have done GeoServer in the past.)<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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