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<p>Heck yes, Thanks Ray for the idea of a lighthearted historical
deep dive<br>
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<p>QGIS server [0], [1]<br>
- 2011 -> Born, (QGIS 1.6 - 27.11.2010)<br>
</p>
<p>Geoserver [2]<br>
- 2002 -> Born? (0.9)<br>
- 2003 -> 1.0<br>
- 2011 -> 2.1.3<br>
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<p>Mapserver [3]<br>
- 1994 -> Born<br>
- 1997 -> 1.0<br>
- 2011 -> 6.0<br>
</p>
<p>So we can be 9y behind Geoserver and 17y behind mapserver ;)</p>
<p>Cheers all and keep up the amazing work, and thanks Jonathan for
triggering the interesting discussion</p>
<p>Marco<br>
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<p>[0]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101130113806/http://blog.qgis.org/node/146">https://web.archive.org/web/20101130113806/http://blog.qgis.org/node/146</a><br>
[1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20111010211800/http://linfiniti.com/2010/08/qgis-mapserver-a-wms-server-for-the-masses/">https://web.archive.org/web/20111010211800/http://linfiniti.com/2010/08/qgis-mapserver-a-wms-server-for-the-masses/</a><br>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/geoserver/files/GeoServer/">https://sourceforge.net/projects/geoserver/files/GeoServer/</a><br>
[3] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapServer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapServer</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09.06.20 08:38, Raymond Nijssen
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:65ef25b0-8fde-3636-f4ce-c269672d74dd@terglobo.nl">And
imagine that
<br>
<br>
Mapserver 1.0,
<br>
GeoServer 1.0 and
<br>
QGIS Server 1.0
<br>
<br>
had all been released at the same date. What would these
deployment numbers have been like now?
<br>
<br>
Regards,
<br>
Raymond
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On 09-06-2020 01:18, Nyall Dawson wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 09:12, Tim Sutton
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com"><tim@kartoza.com></a> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
Hi
<br>
<br>
<br>
Nice, thoughtful message below, thanks Jonathon. I wonder what
it will take to move the needle above 1%? And whether we
should try to use our funds to make that happen. QGIS is
surely the most expressive way to do cartography of any GIS
out there (acknowledging total bias on my part) and seeing
that cartography on the web would surely please many people.
Clients like QWC, QWC2 or anything that requires you to hand
edit a config file or log into a unix shell to publish map
services are probably the main limitation (no offence to those
tools). Also the lack of an built in tiling server (with
proper metalling and meta buffering) must surely be the
other. Maybe a more useful approach to your discussion below
would be to promote funding the elements that add resistance
to deploying QGIS server……but then we would be in new feature
space and circling back to the idea of not funding QGIS Server
with grants…..
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Something else to consider is whether technologies like WMS are
<br>
ultimately just "dead end" technologies now, and possibly we'd
be
<br>
better off focusing on client side rendering of vector features
from a
<br>
server (QGIS or other), and providing a library which can do
<br>
client-side rendering of vector tiles from QGIS symbology in as
close
<br>
to 1:1 as possible...
<br>
<br>
Nyall
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
Regards
<br>
<br>
Tim
<br>
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On 8 Jun 2020, at 21:42, Jonathan Moules
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jonathan-lists@lightpear.com"><jonathan-lists@lightpear.com></a> wrote:
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Hi List,
<br>
Some of you may have seen my blog post on the OSGeo-Discuss
list about which mapping servers are the most deployed. For
those who haven't seen it, QGIS Server has about 60 public
deployments (1% of all of them), and it serves 11,924 datasets
(0.5% of all public geospatial WMS/WFS/WCS/WMTS datasets).
<br>
<br>
Potentially controversial here and I appreciate it's not a
competition, but given the low uptake of QGIS Server compared
to other Open Source offerings (GeoServer: 964 deployments,
963,603 datasets; MapServer: 544 deployments, 389,709
datasets), is QGIS Server something the grant program should
be funding? There are three Server proposals totalling
€10,000, 22% of the fund.
<br>
<br>
Now, before you get the pitchforks out(!), please consider the
following:
<br>
<br>
* Zero sum game - Any money spent on QGIS Server cannot be
spent on QGIS Desktop. (The grants mostly aren't things that
will improve the shared QGIS Core). (This reasoning also
follows through to OSGeo funds).
<br>
<br>
* Multiple solutions - Open Source (and OSGeo) already has a
very healthy ecosystem of mapping servers - does it need
another one?
<br>
<br>
* Limited number of users benefited - I don't have stats for
it, but QGIS Desktop is probably the most popular Open Source
Desktop GIS, and is certainly going to have many orders of
magnitude more users than QGIS Server.
<br>
<br>
* Playing to your strengths - QGIS' strength is it's Desktop
and it's generally good practice to play to your strengths.
<br>
<br>
<br>
So given the above, and that QGIS is already "winning" as an
Open Source Desktop (great job!), I'd like to suggest it's not
a good idea to dilute the limited resources by spending them
on QGIS Server. Instead it seems that far more people would
benefit if that money was spent on Desktop, especially the bug
fixing programme.
<br>
<br>
Or alternatively, given the "Unique Selling Point" of QGIS
Server is its integration with QGIS Desktop, those resources
could be used to further improve interoperability with
GeoServer/MapServer/deegree/etc. Those are all successful
mature OSGeo projects that excel at serving maps, have an
architecture designed for it, and already have huge install
bases.
<br>
<br>
TLDR: QGIS excels at being a Desktop, and I'd like to suggest
it should play to its strengths and focus its limited funds
there to benefit the most users.
<br>
<br>
I shall now retreat to my bunker. :-)
<br>
<br>
Cheers,
<br>
Jonathan
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<br>
Note: The above only applies to the Grant program and funding;
how developers wish to spend their time, and on which projects
is of course their own prerogative.
<br>
<br>
(Disclosure: I have no horse in this race; I don't run or
administer any mapping servers, but I have done GeoServer in
the past.)
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