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sneaking in from the ouside ...<br>
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Hey guys and girls,<br>
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you are providing the world (including million-$€-companies) with an
awesome "product" with a budget worth maybe 50 ESRI-licenses!!!<br>
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There has to be a way to grab those big players by the balls! THEN
such discussions about payment rates would start to make sens.<br>
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Maybe investing some money in marketing psychologists who can help
developing a campaign for that? Obviously different abilities apart
from software development are needed for this.<br>
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Just my two micro-cents<br>
Bernd<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.11.22 um 16:09 schrieb Andreas
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<div>Hi Vincent,</div>
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<div>Thank you for joining the discussion.</div>
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<div>We did not really discuss the hourly rates at the budget
meeting. From 2021 to 2022 we raised the hourly dev rates from
100 to 110 - and the hourly documentation rates from 40 to 44.
I know that both rates are low. We can discuss raising them
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<div>The plan for the two positions was not to have direct
employees of <a href="http://QGIS.ORG" moz-do-not-send="true">QGIS.ORG</a>,
but to use a proxy company, in our case Kartoza, to act as the
employer. Also - our budget does not allow regular European or
North-American salaries. With these limitations at hand, we
can use Kartoza as a proxy to hire employees in certain parts
of the world where the salaries we can offer can be attractive
- and where they have talented people to work on some of our
issues (sysadmin, documentation, etc.)</div>
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<div>For the documentation part: Tim and Harrissou are involved
in the selection process of the candidates.</div>
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<div>I agree that the grant budget with 10k is not very
attractive. We also discussed skipping it for one year. Not
sure what is better ...</div>
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<div>BTW: you can all help to find new sustaining members ...
that would increase our budget and would allow us to pay
better hourly rates ...</div>
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<div>I wish we had a larger budget at hand than the +/- 200k €
we seem to be able to attract each year. From certain
countries where we know we have a lot of QGIS users (France,
Italy - just to name two of them) there are not a lot of
sustaining members or donations other than from a few private
persons and very small companies. Maybe companies like yours
could help us to get in touch with the larger companies with a
lot of QGIS users that could become new sustaining members ...
Do you think that would be possible?<br>
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<div>Andreas<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 15:05,
Vincent Picavet (ml) via QGIS-Developer <<a
href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org"
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
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Thanks for sharing the budget with the community.<br>
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A few questions / remarks :<br>
- in most countries, we can see a general inflation, having
consequences on every kind of costs ( hosting, salaries…). Did
you take this context into account when preparing the budget,
especially when basing planned 2023 costs on actual 2022 costs
?<br>
- the cut on Grant budget is really hard. With a "reasonable"
mean budget of 5K per grant, this would mean 2 grants only
this year. It sounds more or less like the end of the grant
program. Who would candidate if chances to be selected are
really low ? Wouldn't there be a way to mitigate it a bit,
through various smaller budget reductions to other budget
lines ? The increase in documentation contribution is huge
compared to the grant decrease. I fear that we loose grants as
a mean to attract new core developers.<br>
<br>
My most important remark is about "allow for a regular small
salary .. for one person on each item". Disclaimer : I am
quite strongly against QGIS.org having employees. If we are in
the process of having "regular workers" for <a
href="http://qgis.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">qgis.org</a>, then we really have to
work hard on :<br>
- having a clear, written and transparent process for how to
select these people<br>
- .. process including a fair way for anyone to candidate<br>
I may have missed some communications, but I have not seen
this in place up to now. This is definitely something we have
to put in place before having some internal troubles.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Vincent<br>
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On 24/11/2022 12:07, Marco Bernasocchi wrote:<br>
> Hi all, we prepared the QGIS budget for 2023 and would
like to have<br>
> feedback before submitting it to the voting members for
approval. You<br>
> can directly leave comments in the file [1].<br>
> <br>
> Please let us have any Feedback until December 4th. On
december 7th<br>
> we'll send the budget for vote.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers Marco<br>
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