<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>Instead of deleting, would you consider putting the old documentation to a repository, e.g. Zenodo, so that they are archived for long term? Zenodo allows up to 50GB for each record and it is free. You can also create a community page, so that all records are accessible from a single point: <a href="https://zenodo.org/communities/">https://zenodo.org/communities/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Best,<br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br>Serkan</div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 15:50, Johannes Kröger (WhereGroup) via QGIS-Developer <<a href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Thank you!<br>
</p>
<p>I am also in Den Bosch and so I would love to join the discussion
there, hopefully with valuable contributions and solutions :))<br>
</p>
<p>Cheers, Hannes<br>
</p>
<div>Am 21.03.23 um 09:48 schrieb DelazJ via
QGIS-Developer:<br>
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div>Thanks all for the feedback</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I second the (somewhat reformulated by myself) opinion that
we shouldn't just buy space or disk because we would be
financially able to do so. Not sure it is a sustainable
behavior and we'd just be postponing the issue (remember,
pyqgis repo is also concerned). We rather should identify what
we do really want/need to provide to our community. So I'm
glad you'll discuss this at Den Bosch.<i> <font size="1">(and
I keep updating my list of todo for the sys admin)</font></i><font size="1"> </font><br>
</div>
<div>I also second the suggestion to delete 2.8 and 2.14. It'd
release enough space to serve 3.28.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>About the questions:</div>
<div>Hannes, the folders are so big because <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">they serve (in about 15 to 20
languages):</span>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">- the HTML files (the ones
we all know)<br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">- the PDF files (e.g. <a href="https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/pdf/" target="_blank">https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/pdf/</a>)</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">- and the zipped HTML
files (<a href="https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/zip/" target="_blank">https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/zip/</a>)
for local use for people that do not have full access to
WEB but not sure if anyone is using them. It could be
interesting to know stats of downloads (if any).<br>
</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">About why 3.10 is bigger
than 3.22, it had two languages we no longer publish, and
looks like we managed somehow to provide smaller files
(plugins and third-party providers chapters that were
removed on the road? 🤔)<br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Bernd, sorry for the old
docs popping up during search. Unfortunately, not
something new [0], and we still are looking for people
with knowledge in this area to help us improve the
situation. What I usually do is to replace the version
number in the URL and most of the times, it work well
unless the file has been restructured.</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">The line that shows the
top message is at </span>[1]. If someone knows how we can
add the section anchor to that URL, suggestions are more
than welcome.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[0] <a href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues/6449" target="_blank">https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues/6449</a>
and there might be older discussion in ML<br>
</div>
<div>[1] <a href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/blob/master/themes/rtd_qgis/layout.html#L14" target="_blank">https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/blob/master/themes/rtd_qgis/layout.html#L14</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Greetings,</div>
<div>Harrissou<br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 20 mars 2023 à 21:51,
Andreas Neumann via QGIS-PSC <<a href="mailto:qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you for checking, Richard - yes an additional 35
€ per month for just 80gb more is not nothing ... compared
to a root server.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ok - let's delete the 2.8 and 2.14 releases. I think it
would be good to keep the latest 2.x (2.18) around. This
should give us some initial room to serve the current
documentation. If we need additional space. we could also
remove the 3.10 documentation.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And yes, it is a good idea to discuss infrastructure
tasks and responsibilities in Den Bosch!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hope that Kartoza can soon find a good sysadmin
person - now that the idea to employ a Sysadmin and the
funds had been approved.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Andreas<br>
</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at
21:39, Richard Duivenvoorde <<a href="mailto:rdmailings@duif.net" target="_blank">rdmailings@duif.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 3/20/23 17:31,
Andreas Neumann wrote:<br>
> Hi Matthias,<br>
> <br>
> Sure - buying more space is an option. I would like
to get an idea - however - what the monthly expected costs
are. Is this a "virtual" server at Hetzner? How much disk
space does it have currently, how much do we want? What is
the price difference?<br>
<br>
Building is done on a real Hetzner server: <a href="http://qgis6.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">qgis6.org</a> a Hetzner EX42 Root
server about 50euro/month<br>
Serving the site + docs is done on <a href="http://www2.qgis.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www2.qgis.org</a>
a Hetzner Cloud cpx31 160GB disk 14euro/ month (as cloud
would be cheaper etc etc)<br>
<br>
We can upgrade the www2 to a newer bigger CLOUD server,
but that is about 35 euro/month for just 80Gb more..<br>
Probably then it is better to leave the cloud, and just
add an extra root server on which you have a couple of
terrabytes... for 50 euro/month<br>
<br>
Can we sit together in Den Bosch and do decide something
on this? I really feel unhappy if people telling us "why
is there even a need to care": we/I am not a sysadmin, so
everybody with great knowledge and idea's: please help
out!<br>
<br>
> At some point - cleanup of old stuff just makes
sense. Getting rid of version 2.14 and 3.8 (it probable
should mean 3.8 and not 2.8 - right) would make sense.
Documentation always focuses on LTR versions, so all the
"in-between" versions that are older than 3-4 years could
be deleted.<br>
>> # du -hs *<br>
>> 255M doc-test<br>
>> 579M QGIS-Documentation<br>
>> 7.2G QGIS-Documentation-2.14<br>
>> 6.3G QGIS-Documentation-2.18<br>
>> 7.7G QGIS-Documentation-2.8<br>
>> 12G QGIS-Documentation-3.10<br>
>> 11G QGIS-Documentation-3.16<br>
>> 9.4G QGIS-Documentation-3.22<br>
>> 579M QGIS-Documentation-3.28<br>
>> 8.0G QGIS-Documentation-3.4<br>
>> 31G QGIS-tests<br>
>> 16G QGIS-Website<br>
<br>
We still have version 2 (TWO) .8 .14 and .18 around :-) so
it NOT a typo...<br>
So: can I delete those?<br>
And also 3.10 (as this is a 2018 release)<br>
<br>
The QGIS-tests dir, contains the info available at:<br>
<a href="http://test.qgis.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://test.qgis.org</a><br>
BUT!!! that url/dns actually still points to the old
server (qgis2)<br>
That site hosts the ogcapif / wfs / wms tests (untill 26th
of januari)???<br>
<br>
Anybody feeling need or responsible for this?<br>
We are not serving (yet) <a href="http://test.qgis.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">test.qgis.org</a>
from www2 ...<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
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