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<p>Ha, yeah pragmatism is a very good reason. I've battled with mail
delivery recently in a much smaller project and it was not fun.</p>
<p>Thanks for all your work, you awesome people!</p>
<p>Cheers, Hannes</p>
<p>PS: To be honest, I get a deja vu, so if I ranted about this
(without offering help or solutions :} ) before in the past,
sorry!<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22.02.24 15:51, Andreas Neumann
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<p>Hi Johannes and Lova,</p>
<p>The current reality is that the QGIS PSC is using Google
infrastructure (Google Drive, Google Mail, youtube channels;
sometimes Google Meet) quite extensively. It wouldn't be so easy
to swap things out. In the PSC meetings we use JITSI, but for
the QGIS Open Day it is also Google infrastructure, as it scales
better for more users. We also use GSOC in order to bring in new
developers.</p>
<p>We know that some people don't like our usage of Google
services, but we also need to be pragmatic. Doing more things
ourselves with open source tools or other alternatives would be
possible, but would mean that we can spend less time directly on
improving QGIS.</p>
<p>Greetings,<br>
Andreas</p>
<p id="reply-intro">On 2024-02-22 15:34, Johannes Kröger via
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<p>Hi Lova,</p>
<p>if I understand it right, using smtp.gmail.com *will*
send all mails via Google. I don't know which SMTP host is
currently used.</p>
<p>Looking at the MX records of qgis.org it seems like
Google is used already anyways so I might be barking up an
old and rotten tree. :(</p>
<p>It really should not be any of Google's business when
people communicate with qgis.org addresses.</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
<p>Cheers, Hannes</p>
<div class="v1moz-cite-prefix">On 19.02.24 06:37, Lova
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span>Dear Hannes,</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal">Thanks for your feedback. I
appreciate that.</p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal">> Does this mean that Gmail
will be involved in all those mails?</p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal">I apologise for that. Indeed, we
propose using smtp.gmail.com as EMAIL_HOST instead of
smtp to fix the email-sending feature since it
sometimes goes into the spam folder.</p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal">However, I think this won't
change the account type because we use the same as the
current email and keep the part `@qgis.org` unless I'm
mistaken. But maybe my PR's name doesn't reflect that.
For now, I will update the PR and convert it to a
draft.</p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal">> Can't a OSGeo mail account
be used instead?</p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal">I'm not sure of the answer to
this, sorry. </p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span>Dear <a
id="v1OWAAMFC1157CA1DCDF841B997DD0170634256"
href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"> <span
style="font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; text-decoration: none;">@Tim
Sutton</span></a>, </span>could you please
advise me on that?<span> Thank you.</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal">Best regards,</p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal">Lova</p>
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<strong>Date: </strong>Friday, 16 February
2024 at 5:24 PM<br>
<strong>To: </strong><a
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<strong>Subject: </strong>Re:
[QGIS-Developer] QGIS Full Stack Web Developer
Report</span></p>
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<p>Hey Lova,</p>
<p>thanks for all your great work!</p>
<p>This caught my eye:</p>
<p><span style="color: #1b1b1b;">> <a
href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Django/pull/356" target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"> Use Gmail as the email
provider</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #1b1b1b;">Does this mean that
Gmail will be involved in all those mails? I
would be strongly against proactively exposing
any data to such a company if not absolutely
necessary.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #1b1b1b;">Can't a OSGeo mail
account be used instead?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #1b1b1b;">It's bad enough
that so much mail is already centralized and
thus available to a single party/company but as
long as a user is not willingly using Gmail
themselves already, it would be great if Google
(or any other similar third party) was not
involved in such mails.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #1b1b1b;">Cheers, Hannes</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal">On 16.02.24 13:52, Lova
Andriarimalala via QGIS-Developer wrote:</p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"
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style="color: #1b1b1b;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"
style="font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;"><span
style="color: #1b1b1b;">I'm starting a new
thread because the previous one exceeds the
limit. I've included for you a report which
details the progress made this week on the
development of the plugin and feed website.</span></p>
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style="font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;"><span
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"
style="font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;"><strong><span
style="color: #1b1b1b;">New PR for the
plugins website:</span></strong></p>
<ul
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type="disc">
<li class="v1MsoNormal"
style="color: #1d1d1d; mso-list: l4 level1 lfo1;"><span
style="color: #1b1b1b;"><a
href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Django/pull/356" target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">Use Gmail as the
email provider</a></span></li>
<li class="v1MsoNormal"
style="color: #1d1d1d; mso-list: l4 level1 lfo1;"><a
href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Django/pull/357" target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">Set media and
static path as the same as in production</a></li>
<li class="v1MsoNormal"
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href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Django/pull/359" target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">Fix plugin detail
rating</a><span>: this is a fix for <a
href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Django/issues/354" target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">#354</a></span></li>
<li class="v1MsoNormal"
style="color: #1d1d1d; mso-list: l4 level1 lfo1;"><a
href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Django/pull/360" target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">Add local timezone
to <span>XML</span></a><span>: this is a
fix for <a
href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Django/issues/353" target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"> #353</a></span></li>
</ul>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"
style="font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;"><strong><span
style="color: #1b1b1b;">New PRs for the
feed website:</span></strong></p>
<ul
style="margin-top: 0cm; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;"
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style="color: #1d1d1d; margin-left: 0cm; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo2;"><span
style="color: #1b1b1b;"><a
href="https://github.com/qgis/qgis-feed/pull/70" target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">Use Gmail as the
email provider </a></span></li>
</ul>
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style="font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;"><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; color: #1d1d1d;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
style="color: #1b1b1b;">Next week, I will
try to plan the deployment of some of these
PRs. I will also continue to implement the
components developed by Kontur on the QGIS
Feed website.</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"
style="font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;"><span
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"
style="font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;"><span
style="color: #1b1b1b;">Have a great
weekend,</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"
style="font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;"><span
style="color: #1b1b1b;">Lova</span></p>
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Tel: +49 (0)228 / 90 90 38 - 36
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Geschäftsführer:
Olaf Knopp, Peter Stamm
Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 9885
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WhereGroup GmbH
c/o KK03 GmbH
Lange Reihe 29
20099 Hamburg
Germany
Tel: +49 (0)228 / 90 90 38 - 36
Fax: +49 (0)228 / 90 90 38 - 11
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:johannes.kroeger@wheregroup.com">johannes.kroeger@wheregroup.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.wheregroup.com">www.wheregroup.com</a>
Geschäftsführer:
Olaf Knopp, Peter Stamm
Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 9885
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