<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Radim Blazek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:radim.blazek@gmail.com" target="_blank">radim.blazek@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>regardless how much money, paying bugfixes for third party sponsored new feature out of QGIS pocket will cause moral damages:</div><div>1) encourages contributors to push half finished work to master expecting that QGIS will take care of it</div><div>2) discourages developers to take medium-term responsibility over their contributions</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Agreed</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Tim</div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Radim<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Tim Sutton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From my side I would like to see also that we plan out out spending more, and yes we definitely need to have published / public annual statement of accounts that we can point potential funders too and demonstrate that we manage our cash responsibly.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In this particular case I am ok with funding the rotation work to get it stabilised but I think it would be better if we plan out our activities e.g. for the next year. It need not be detailed but I would like to see us make room for funding other things in particular:</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">* issue tracker maintenance (we discussed this before here)</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">* pre-release bug fixing (probably with gradually increasing funding for this)</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">* graphics and UI consistency</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">* API documentation - to get our docs to a state where they have snippets in both python and c++ for each class like Qt do</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">* API maintenance - over the years QGIS API has become quite messy and often unintuitive (e.g. V2 classes)</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">* building a more comprehensive test suite</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">* hackfests</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Just having a 'pot' of money against various different activities will help us ensure that our funding is balanced and moves the project as a whole forward, not just in one area. You will notice that feature development is not on my list above - I believe that is the one thing that should not be a focus for spending our money - rather as a project our funds should be focussed on stabilising and improving our software.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Tim</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Paolo Cavallini <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cavallini@faunalia.it" target="_blank">cavallini@faunalia.it</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Il 14/01/2015 10:23, Andreas Neumann ha scritto:<br>
<span>> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I can understand the lack of information on our financial situation and<br>
> can promise to prepare an overview for the middle of next week. I am<br>
> busy with other work before that, sorry. I will probably be able to<br>
> deliver this financial summary more timely next year, once the process<br>
> is established.<br>
<br>
</span>Thanks a lot Andreas for this. This is a long standing issue for us, and<br>
we're on the good way to have it solved.<br>
The main problem is about our hybrid structure, not having a legal<br>
entity. IMHO we should seriously consider proceeding as per Tim<br>
suggestions, establishing a foundation or something similar.<br>
More food for discussion, both at the PSC meeting and at the HF.<br>
<span>All the best.<br>
--<br>
Paolo Cavallini - <a href="http://www.faunalia.eu" target="_blank">www.faunalia.eu</a><br>
QGIS & PostGIS courses: <a href="http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html" target="_blank">http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html</a><br>
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