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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Nathan<br>
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>If we wanted to go with 3.0 then I would suggest skip 2.10<br>
<br>
That would mean feature freeze for 3.0 is 26.09?<br>
<br>
I'm also in favor of extending the development period. 22.05. is
very close for the geometry changes (and for the PyQt changes even
more).<br>
<br>
Reards,<br>
Marco<br>
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On 13.04.2015 02:29, Nathan Woodrow wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:13.1999998092651px;line-height:19.7999992370605px">Hey
all,</span><br
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<span
style="font-size:13.1999998092651px;line-height:19.7999992370605px">I'm
not sure I am super keen to make a 3.0 jump half way (or more)
though a cycle. If we are going to do 3.0 I think it needs to
be planned out more and QEPs done for the major changes. Not
doing this risks leaving users in the dark on the API breaks
and that never turns out well. The main QEPs and changes
that need to be reviewed for the changes are the new geometry
stuff, PyQt5/Python3, removing old V2 methods and labeling
stuff. Might as well do it with a bang if we are going to do
it.</span>
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<div>If we wanted to go with 3.0 then I would suggest skip
2.10 and extend this period by 2 cycles so we have longer,
get in review the API and QEPs, and have a plan rather then
"just break whatever whenever and then release like normal".<br>
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<div
style="font-size:13.1999998092651px;line-height:19.7999992370605px">I
can understand that moving to PyQt5 might be a forced hand
because of platform changes and that it is really going to
break our API whenever they do it. If that is the case I think
we really need a strong plan around it so we can have it all
done at the same time. No point in releasing 3.0 with no
PyQt5 and then having to break again for PyQt5 a few months
later. Also mentioning that PyQt5 seems to be Python3 only at
the moment which can also bring other issue so those need to
be addressed.</div>
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<div
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PyQt5 will break all the plugins again I think there needs to
be some good education around it. Python 3 has been out for
years and people still don't move from 2.7, they didn't
educate well and people didn't move then same can happen to
us.</div>
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Nathan</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 at 05:35 Anita
Graser <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anitagraser@gmx.at">anitagraser@gmx.at</a>>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi
Nyall,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I've
posted my log - bit of the beginning missing - <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/PSC_Meeting_8_April_2015"
target="_blank">http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/PSC_Meeting_8_April_2015</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Here's
the part on QGIS 3:</div>
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<pre style="margin-right:1em;margin-left:1.6em;padding:2px 2px 2px 0px;border:1px solid rgb(218,218,218);width:auto;color:rgb(48,48,48);font-size:11.6999998092651px;background-color:rgb(250,250,250)">(3:51:39 PM) mhugent: So the question is how and when go for version 3
(3:51:58 PM) mhugent: E.g. QGIS3 after 2.10?
(3:52:16 PM) pcav: IMHO, since we have a LTR
(3:52:20 PM) pcav: we can go anytime
(3:52:25 PM) pcav: preferably soon
(3:52:38 PM) pcav: so people will have more safe time with the LTR
(3:52:42 PM) aneumann: Would 3.1 be another LTR then?
(3:52:52 PM) timlinux: yeah I also dont see much point in waiting till after a 2.10
(3:53:12 PM) anitagraser: any time that works for you
(3:53:16 PM) timlinux: aneumann: yes
(3:53:24 PM) timlinux: 3.2
(3:53:26 PM) pcav: conservative peple can stay on 2.8 for 1 yr
(3:53:45 PM) pcav: and move to 3.2 after that
(3:53:48 PM) aneumann: it would be good to have something stable in Feb 2016
(3:54:15 PM) pcav: right, that's why I'm suggesting to move soon
(3:54:23 PM) pcav: to 3
(3:54:42 PM) mhugent: For me it is also the sooner the better.
(3:55:12 PM) mhugent: jef, what is your opinion (since you are the release manager)?
(3:55:26 PM) aneumann: the question is if the ideas for the new API are already ready/good enought to start with QGIS3?
(3:56:15 PM) aneumann: or maybe there are things to discuss before?
(3:56:47 PM) timlinux_ [~<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:timlinux@105-208-59-252.access.mtnbusiness.co.za" target="_blank">timlinux@105-208-59-252.access.mtnbusiness.co.za</a>] entered the room.
(3:56:57 PM) timlinux_: sorry folks I have to board my flight
(3:57:24 PM) jef: mhugent: I don't have strong opinions about version numbers and api stability. the api should never be turned inside out and constantly changes anyway.
(3:57:38 PM) timlinux left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 246 seconds).
(3:57:38 PM) timlinux_: +1 from me to make the next release a jump to 3.0 but we need to hear from nyall
(3:57:52 PM) aneumann: Nyall told me that he can implement things in parallel for the print composer - similar to symbology 1/2 or labeling 1/2
(3:57:53 PM) timlinux_: because he may have specific timelines
(3:57:53 PM) pcav: +1
(3:57:59 PM) timlinux_: ok
(3:58:01 PM) anitagraser: +1
(3:58:09 PM) timlinux_: ok folks I will catch up in the logs
(3:58:16 PM) timlinux_ left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection).
(3:58:28 PM) dassau: +1
(3:58:30 PM) aneumann: but that was because he did not get any feedback on when QGIS3 will be started
(3:58:45 PM) aneumann: Maybe he would prefer otherwise</pre>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Best
wishes,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Anita</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:42 PM,
Marco Hugentobler <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marco.hugentobler@sourcepole.ch"
target="_blank">marco.hugentobler@sourcepole.ch</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Nyall<span><br>
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I'm especially curious what "QGIS 3 (MH)
[accepted]" means...<br>
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There was no formal voting, however all meeting
participants shared the opinion that it is better to
go for version 3 as soon as possible. That means there
will be no 2.10 and the next version is 3 (API breaks
allowed).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Marco
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Am 11.04.2015 um 11:01 schrieb Nyall Dawson:<br>
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Hi PSC,<br>
<br>
Was a meeting held on the 8th of this month? If
so, is anyone able to<br>
upload a log of it to<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/PSC_Meeting_8_April_2015"
target="_blank">http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/PSC_Meeting_8_April_2015</a>
?<br>
<br>
I'm especially curious what "QGIS 3 (MH)
[accepted]" means...<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Nyall<br>
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