<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi all<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unless there are further comments, are you all ok for me to go ahead and send this out tomorrow? Will you please help by rebroadcasting the survey call blog post I will write to your twitter / Facebook etc followers?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Oct 2015, at 11:44, Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" class="">tim@kartoza.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Hi</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Andreas Neumann<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net" target="_blank" class="">a.neumann@carto.net</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">The survey looks good.<br class=""><br class="">I discovered one small typo and have two suggestions:<br class=""><br class="">Typo:<br class=""><span class="">QGIS does not enable me to carry out the critical tasks I need, I need so use other GIS packages<br class="">--> ..., I need to use ...<br class=""></span></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Fixed thanks!</div><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><span class=""><br class="">Suggestion 1:<br class="">For the question "</span><span class="">How often do you use the QGIS documentation":<br class=""><br class="">Add an option: "Occasionaly" - so we have something in between "Monthly" and "Never" - I consider myself to be in that group.<br class=""></span></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Done</div><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><span class=""><br class="">Suggestion 2:<br class="">Ask for domain/industry - like:<br class=""><br class="">I work for<br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; display: inline;"></div>- private consulting company<br class=""></span><span class=""><span class="">- government (federal level)<br class=""></span>- government (province level)<br class="">- government (municipal level)<br class="">- education (university level)<br class="">- education (other)<br class="">- military/intelligence<br class="">- NGO<br class="">- private (hobby)<br class="">- anything else?<br class=""><br class=""></span></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Good idea, added thanks! I also added one asking how many people in your organisation use QGIS</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Tim</div><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><span class="">Thanks,<br class="">Andreas<br class=""></span><div class=""><div class="h5"><br class=""><div class="">On 14.10.2015 09:44, Tim Sutton wrote:<br class=""></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="h5">Apologies I sent this the the gmail PSC group earner by mistake:<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">@andreas I incorporated some changes to the form to include your ideas</div><div class="">@paolo I also added some fields to incorporate your ideas</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class=""><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@qgis.org" target="_blank" class=""></a><a href="mailto:tim@qgis.org" target="_blank" class="">tim@qgis.org</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">QGIS Usage survey</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">14 October 2015 at 06:49:29 SAST<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:psc@qgis.org" target="_blank" class="">psc@qgis.org</a><br class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class="">Hi all</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I guess you have all been following along on the discussion started by Andreas about release frequency etc. I was thinking that one issue we have with these types of discussions is that we lack any meaningful data - all the arguments are based on anecdotal usage. I was thinking that it would be good to run a survey like this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://goo.gl/forms/FPvlBzkquQ" target="_blank" class="">http://goo.gl/forms/FPvlBzkquQ</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We could do an embed of it into our website and market it to the user, dev, community, ux, twitter etc. mailing lists.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I agree that things can be improved and I am thinking that we should apply basic supply and demand theory: when we have an ‘over supply’ of patches to QGIS, we should make it ‘more expensive’ to contribute them by increasing the minimum criteria for submission for example:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">* requiring tests (for GUI changes too)</div><div class="">* requiring complete API documentation (for C++ and Python)</div><div class="">* requiring complete end user documentation (the doc team can then focus on editing docs rather than composing them)</div><div class="">* requiring a changelog when appropriate</div><div class="">* requiring existing tests all pass</div><div class="">* requiring coding standards adherance</div><div class="">* requiring bug fixes be supported with a regression test wherever possible</div><div class=""> *etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(Yes I realise some items in my list are already in place). Of course this will add more bureaucracy to the process of applying changes to QGIS and we would need to figure out how to manage that cleanly. I think another thing high on our agenda at the project level should be looking to employ one or more developers full time to actually manage this process. Perhaps we can hold a campaign to fund 1 year salary for such a person and try to make that happen?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But first lets get some real data about who uses QGIS and what their concerns are. If the PSC is in general agreement, can we put out the survey to do that? Feel free to suggest additions / changes to the survey before I send it out….</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><span class=""><img height="60" width="60" class=""></span><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim Sutton</div><div class="">QGIS Project Steering Committee Member</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:tim@qgis.org" target="_blank" class="">tim@qgis.org</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class=""><span class=""><img height="60" width="60" class=""></span><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim Sutton</div><div class="">QGIS Project Steering Committee Member</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:tim@qgis.org" target="_blank" class="">tim@qgis.org</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><br class=""><fieldset class=""></fieldset><br class=""></div></div><span class=""><pre class="">_______________________________________________
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