<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Jeff<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 27 Jul 2016, at 3:26 PM, Jeff McKenna <<a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com" class="">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">(adding William to this thread)<br class=""><br class="">Hi Andreas,<br class=""><br class="">I am not surprised that I am totally wrong on all counts, I am for sure over-stepping my bounds. Essentially I am trying to make sure that you include William on your team, and if anything I hope my (incorrect) email helps to bring everyone together. I think this thread was asking questions, and my thinking is to bring everyone together and to talk.<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just to clarify: When I said we do not have a **lot** of interaction with William, it is isn't that we have **no** interaction with him, or that we consciously exclude him in any way - we always include him where OSX packaging discussions happen and at the same time try not to overload him with noise about things. A lot of the interaction is implicit - William follows along with the release process and builds packages when he has time. Think 'quiet genius working away in the basement' here :-) I think its pretty much the same for other packagers out there. We all greatly appreciate Williams effort and support over the years - I use his packages on my Mac and he does a really awesome job of getting QGIS to users on OSX.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">-jeff<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 2016-07-27 9:59 AM, Neumann, Andreas wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Hi Jeff,<br class=""><br class="">I believe QGIS 2.16 wasn't properly announced yet - looking<br class="">into <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-user/2016-July/thread.html" class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-user/2016-July/thread.html</a> I<br class="">can't see such an announcement e-mail. However, the webpage lists 2.16 -<br class="">so I don't really know if it is really released yet or not. It is a bit<br class="">of a mess. Of course people start tweeting before official announcements<br class="">... probably including myself.<br class=""><br class="">But both of your assumptions are wrong. <a href="http://qgis.org" class="">QGIS.ORG</a> is not waiting until<br class="">all of the packages are created - and none of the packagers are funded<br class="">so far. Packaging and release is purely voluntary work until now. Also,<br class="">documentation is only really marginally funded until now - but partially<br class="">funded by companies who employ documenters (like Camptocamp).<br class=""><br class="">The only "paid" work so far was bug fixing -<br class="">see <a href="http://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/visualchangelog216/index.html#notable-fixes" class="">http://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/visualchangelog216/index.html#notable-fixes</a><br class="">- we also pay partially the bug management work from Giovanni and every<br class="">once in a while some infrastructure work, or just recently Matthias<br class="">Kuhn's work on implementing the test framework for QGIS processing.<br class=""><br class="">Of course this is all up to discussion.<br class=""><br class="">We are about to launch a "QGIS grants" program soon - someone could<br class="">apply for a grant to do such work (release and packaging). Or PSC<br class="">decides to pay someone separately for such work - outside of the grant<br class="">program.<br class=""><br class="">Greetings,<br class=""><br class="">Andreas<br class=""><br class="">On 2016-07-27 14:32, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi all,<br class=""><br class="">I'm assuming here that you are working closely with William, through<br class="">the QGIS paid 'bug fixing program' (or whatever we name it, for<br class="">helping to fund the team for each release). I also am assuming that<br class="">the green button for the release is pressed once packagers on the<br class="">major platforms are ready, and the documentation team has finished<br class="">their changes. Yes packagers and documenters must be included on that<br class="">team, the 'bug fixing program' or whatever you name it.<br class=""><br class="">-jeff<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 2016-07-27 4:08 AM, Neumann, Andreas wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi all,<br class=""><br class="">I hear a lot of requests for the 2.16 OSX packages - also discussed on<br class="">Twitter. I don't know Kyngchaos and I don't want to push him, because I<br class="">don't know him personally - who is in contact with him? Are there<br class="">technical issues or just a lack of time? Can we do something to<br class="">assist/accelerate the process?<br class=""><br class="">Could we setup an automatic build system for OSX in the future, perhaps<br class="">starting with QGIS 3.x?<br class=""><br class="">The OSX builds seem to be esp. popular in the media and designer community.<br class=""><br class="">Greetings,<br class=""><br class="">Andreas<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br class="">Qgis-psc mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" class="">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a> <mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org><br class="">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">Jeff McKenna<br class="">MapServer Consulting and Training Services<br class=""><a href="http://www.gatewaygeomatics.com/" class="">http://www.gatewaygeomatics.com/</a><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Qgis-psc mailing list<br class="">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org<br class="">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><div class=""><span>—</span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><b class="">IRC:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>timlinux on #qgis at <a href="http://freenode.net" class="">freenode.net</a></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; 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