<div dir="ltr">Hi Tim,<div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Tim Sutton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim@qgis.org" target="_blank">tim@qgis.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Larry<div><span class="gmail-"><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 27 Jul 2016, at 7:44 PM, Larry Shaffer <<a href="mailto:larrys@dakotacarto.com" target="_blank">larrys@dakotacarto.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:helvetica-light;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><div><br></div><div>Of note, I am getting paid at work to accomplish a variant of OSGeo4Mac (and actually a GUI variant of OSGeo4W) for the Boundless Desktop install. I would *very* much prefer to have this work contributed back upstream to the OSGeo/QGIS communities. Towards that end, if either the OSGeo or QGIS project were to finance the core part of that work, via my employer (like paid bug fixing arrangements in the past), I think this would be a good assurance that the code start/remain in the public domain.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div></span><div>Just flipping your proposal around, how about asking your employer to fund your time for community OSGEO packaging on a sustained basis? I reckon it is a pretty good 'in-kind' contribution back to the upstream projects they take benefit from?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Understanding that contributing this installer and maintenance work will allow for additional community contributions to increase stability/compatibility and that the Boundless installer workflow will more closely parallel what is officially available through community channels are possibly persuasive talking points to convince Boundless to fund this.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, Boundless definitely benefits from the OSGeo4W distribution, a similar OS X in-kind contribution does seem appropriate.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>I don't have a problem with QGIS funding people to do stuff, but I am weary of setting a precedent where QGIS **has** to fund people on an ongoing basis or key parts of the project break. We don't have the financial resources to sustain that. If there is a short, sharp once off thing you would like to work on in order to get us over some packaging hurdle its certainly something we can entertain funding it (and same applies to William) - look out for the upcoming grant programme call.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry, I didn't mean to imply anything ongoing. Just the initial work to set up the installer, then it would be publicly available and out of the Boundless purview. I agree the QGIS project should not be financially tied to anyone for any critical functionality.</div><div><br></div><div>Conversely, the project does have to rely upon volunteers to produce packages/installers for users, and provide ongoing support for those packages. Agreed that the grant program may help here. However, considering packaging is an ongoing necessity — indeed many aspects of the project can now be viewed in this manner — it seems odd that maintainers would need to continually apply for a grant every release. Although... that may be best, e.g. case-by-case, much like the paid bug-fixing approach. (OK, just convinced myself of the latter :^)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>If you think it would be OK for me to write to your bosses asking them to support QGIS by giving you the space needed to make packages I'd be happy to do that too.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I believe they are following this conversation already; but, yes, that would help establish what arrangement you feel is mutually beneficial or a reasonable contribution on their part.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_signature">Larry Shaffer<br>Dakota Cartography<br>Black Hills, South Dakota</div></div><div class="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature"><div class="gmail_signature">Boundless Desktop and QGIS Support/Development</div><div class="gmail_signature">Boundless Spatial</div><div class="gmail_signature"><a href="mailto:lshaffer@boundlessgeo.com">lshaffer@boundlessgeo.com</a></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>Regards</div><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Tim</div></font></span><span class="gmail-"><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div>
<span><img height="65" width="59" src="cid:879A6E78-CA46-47B2-AA0E-1810BD833229"></span><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;line-height:normal;word-wrap:break-word"><div style="font-weight:normal"><br><br>---</div><div style="font-weight:normal"><br></div><div><b>Tim Sutton</b></div><div style="font-weight:normal">QGIS Project Steering Committee Chair</div><div style="font-weight:normal"><a href="mailto:tim@qgis.org" target="_blank">tim@qgis.org</a></div><div style="font-weight:normal"><br></div></div><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;line-height:normal"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
</div>
<br></span></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>