<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 25 Nov 2016, at 12:42 PM, Neumann, Andreas <<a href="mailto:a.neumann@carto.net" class="">a.neumann@carto.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class=""><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif" class=""><p class="">Hi,</p><p class="">I understand your feelings.</p><p class="">But how can we represent the project if the community never voted on us as being their representatives?</p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif" class=""><p class="">At some point you need to bootstrap the whole thing. I don't think it is an option just to continue as before. It is not democratic.</p><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><div>I just want to correct this statement. As far as I know we were all democratically elected. I think we lost some of the records of it on the wiki which we cleaned out, but the original PSC and the second round of member additions we did in 2013 were elected by community votes.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="http://spatialgalaxy.net/2013/08/25/welcome-to-new-qgis-psc-members/" class="">http://spatialgalaxy.net/2013/08/25/welcome-to-new-qgis-psc-members/</a> - in 2013 when new members were added</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If I recall correctly (again I would need to go and dig out the records) the original PSC was elected in a similar way.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I think in the case of Andreas as Treasurer this may be the one case where the PSC made an appointment rather than having an election and this was for more pragmatic reasons since its not so easy to vote in a treasurer.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I'd need to go and fact check all the above but really I think we should not portray ourselves as self appointed. What is problematic (and what we are trying to correct in these changes we are discussing) is that we have no terms (still acceptable in some democracies I guess :-P) and so for me the big goal here is to give everyone on the community a chance to serve on the PSC.</div></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif" class=""><p class="">Next year it will be easier.</p><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Agreed.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif" class=""><p class="">We just have to get it started.</p><p class="">I wouldn't fear such a voting. All of us did a good job on behalf of <a href="http://QGIS.ORG" class="">QGIS.ORG</a>. Why shouldn't we be elected?</p><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I also think we should not worry - new people in the PSC might bring fresh ideas and enthusiasm and might provide some relief to PSC members who as we have seen in the past year or so are vulnerable to burn out in their roles.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I can live with the clean sweep or the phased approach but my I just think there will be less disruption if we do things in phases than a complete spring clean which will leave many people possibly uncertain of where to start and what to do. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>Any community members listening in to this thread feel free to chime in if you have thoughts on the matter.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Regards</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Tim</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif" class=""><p class="">Andreas</p><p class="">On 2016-11-25 09:05, Paolo Cavallini wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0" class=""><!-- html ignored --><!-- head ignored --><!-- meta ignored -->
<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">Il 25/11/2016 09:01, Richard Duivenvoorde ha scritto:<br class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0" class="">I'm not too keen on too much bureaucracy in PSC/association work.<br class=""> I would be fine with the bootstrapping process of Tim.<br class=""><br class=""> And do not underestimate peoples feelings when they are not relected:<br class=""> (I'm not sure I would be happy to mentor somebody who just kicked me<br class=""> out...)</blockquote>
<br class=""> Very sensible words, Richard. I'm also looking with some preoccupation<br class=""> to this increasing bureaucracy: I understand it's a necessity, and<br class=""> generally a good move towards maturity, but IMHO we should strive to<br class=""> keep it at a minimum, not the least to be more readily understandable<br class=""> from outside the inner circle (and even sometimes from within it).<br class=""> All the best.</div>
</blockquote><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div class=""> </div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br class="">Qgis-psc mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" class="">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br class="">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; line-height: normal; text-align: center;" class=""><span>—</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; line-height: normal; text-align: center;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span><span><span><span><img height="118" width="150" apple-inline="yes" id="B266E17F-8FD1-4BEA-8F1D-20C518859688" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:1A5DF6DE-E302-4C28-BFBD-29663CBF1351" class=""></span><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><b class="">Tim Sutton</b></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><b class="">Co-founder:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kartoza</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><b class="">Project chair:</b><span style="font-weight: normal;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://QGIS.org" class="">QGIS.org</a></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">Visit <a href="http://kartoza.com/" class=""><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class="">http://kartoza.com</span></a> to find out about open source:</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">Desktop GIS programming services</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">Geospatial web development</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">GIS Training</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">Consulting Services</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><b class="">Skype</b>: timlinux </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><b class="">IRC:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>timlinux on #qgis at <a href="http://freenode.net" class="">freenode.net</a></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; margin: 0px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">Kartoza is a merger between Linfiniti and Afrispatial</div>
</span></span></span></span></div>
</div><br class=""></div></body></html>