<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Ale<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 01 Dec 2017, at 12:32, Alessandro Pasotti <<a href="mailto:apasotti@gmail.com" class="">apasotti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi,<br class=""><br class=""></div>btw the biggest problem I see in submitting bugs from within QGIS is that the user would not be able to submit a bug like "QGIS does not start", or to submit a bug from a different machine where QGIS is not installed.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>I think I was not clear. I am only proposing that the sign up process be done via QGIS. I think it is reasonable to assume that a spammer would not go through all of the trouble of downloading QGIS and installing it just to register in Redmine,</div><div><br class=""></div><div>After the user is signed up, they can use their credentials to log in to redline in their browser and work normally.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So think of QGIS signup as a more accessible filter than mantras.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Regards</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Tim</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><br class="">Btw a custom user-agent can be easily set up in QgsNetworkAccessManager.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Tim Sutton <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank" class="">tim@kartoza.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for your comments Nyall, Nathan and Matthias. It seems that the user agent is rather easy to do:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://wiki.qt.io/How_to_set_user_agent_in_Qt_application" target="_blank" class="">https://wiki.qt.io/How_to_set_<wbr class="">user_agent_in_Qt_application</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So it should automatically add QGIS and the current version to the header. And for an apache rule we could use a regex like this on the redline signup page:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://serverfault.com/a/749446" target="_blank" class="">https://serverfault.com/a/<wbr class="">749446</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(Replacing <span style="font-family:Consolas,Menlo,Monaco,"Lucida Console","Liberation Mono","DejaVu Sans Mono","Bitstream Vera Sans Mono","Courier New",monospace,sans-serif;font-style:inherit;font-variant-caps:inherit;white-space:inherit;color:rgb(36,39,41);font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(239,240,241)" class="">SetEnvIfNoCase with </span><span style="font-family:Consolas,Menlo,Monaco,"Lucida Console","Liberation Mono","DejaVu Sans Mono","Bitstream Vera Sans Mono","Courier New",monospace,sans-serif;font-style:inherit;font-variant-caps:inherit;white-space:inherit;color:rgb(36,39,41);font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(239,240,241)" class="">SetEnvIfCase)</span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would propose that we try to build this quickly (sounds like a good use of QGIS funds??) and get it done as a feature freeze exception. Then we just need something on redline saying that you need to sign up from in QGIS.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim</div></font></span><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class="">On 01 Dec 2017, at 11:37, Matthias Kuhn <<a href="mailto:matthias@opengis.ch" target="_blank" class="">matthias@opengis.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-4525899095202860104Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="h5">
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have users submit bugs easily AND have no spam. In case
it wasnt clear above, my proposal above advocates
ditching mantras in favour of a 'normal' sign up
process but the process has to happen through a QGIS
browser agent. I reckon that is a pretty low friction
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Nathan;s comment about GitHub, while I am +1 about
using github as an option to sign in, my experience is
that signing up for github is just as obscure for
'normal' users as a mantra, so if we are going to make
users sign up for one more thing, <a href="http://hub.qgis.org/" target="_blank" class="">hub.qgis.org</a> should be that
thing.... In summary my preference is:</div>
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Make it convenient for *everyone* to file tickets</div>
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Kill the mantra - it is the most un-user friendly
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Make the initial sign up happen through a browser
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* Support github authentication if we can to make it
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Thanks Tim,<br class="">
I have the same preferences,<br class="">
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Having a painless option to signup through QGIS itself and thus make
it less spam-prone sounds great.<br class="">
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We probably still need a "classic" signup way through webpages for
the "I can't signup because my QGIS crashes on start scenario" and
that would be solved by the github, other oAuth or osgeo login.<br class="">
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