<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:38 AM, Nyall Dawson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nyall.dawson@gmail.com" target="_blank">nyall.dawson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_5561331126804694971gmail-">On 1 December 2017 at 06:30, Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" target="_blank">tim@kartoza.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I have a daft idea (might not work well for really critical issues where QGIS itself won’t run). Why not make the sign up process something you have to do from within QGIS. That way we know that the sign up ‘hoop’ is at least accessible to every one of our users. Once they are signed up they can use any browser to do the next bit. It could be done by perhaps checking for our own custom user agent or something. I don’t know enough ruby to usefully be able to actually implement that - though maybe it could be handled by some apache configs that check that if the url is the sign up page they user agent must be QGIS. Anyway just tossing an idea in the air here….<br>
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</span>Happy to see this being discussed again. If it's a point of contention<br>
or stress we need to get it sorted.<br>
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My 2c:<br>
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I don't think we'll be able to resolve this discussion until we decide<br>
on priorities:<br>
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Is it more important to have more users submit bugs and deal with<br>
spam, OR have less bugs and no spam?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">OR have users submit bugs easily AND have no spam. In case it wasnt clear above, my proposal above advocates ditching mantras in favour of a 'normal' sign up process but the process has to happen through a QGIS browser agent. I reckon that is a pretty low friction approach. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">WRT Nathan;s comment about GitHub, while I am +1 about using github as an option to sign in, my experience is that signing up for github is just as obscure for 'normal' users as a mantra, so if we are going to make users sign up for one more thing, <a href="http://hub.qgis.org" target="_blank">hub.qgis.org</a> should be that thing.... In summary my preference is:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">* Make it convenient for *everyone* to file tickets</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">* Kill the mantra - it is the most un-user friendly experience we could give people <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">* Make the initial sign up happen through a browser embedded in QGIS to prevent spammers. Within that sign up:<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> * Support github authentication if we can to make it easy for geeks</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> * Support sign up through local user database in redmine still</div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Tim</div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that the mantra doesn't<br>
cause too much work for some users, and we WILL get less bug reports<br>
if it's resurrected. We need to decide on our priority before we can<br>
have a sensible debate about the best approach.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Nyall<br>
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