<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Kurt<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 03 Mar 2018, at 18:33, Kurt Menke <<a href="mailto:kurt@birdseyeviewgis.com" class="">kurt@birdseyeviewgis.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hello everyone,<span class=""></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I think there are a lot of good and interesting ideas here.<span class=""> </span>In terms of giving back, obviously the Certification
program is already set up so <span class="">that <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white" class="">€</span>20 are</span> donated to QGIS for each
certificate, but there are more ways.<span class=""></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">To let everyone know how Hans and I have been operating so far:<span class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We have established that if an organization isn’t one we are familiar
with (outside QGIS “<span class="">trust network”) they need to provide:<span class=""></span></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 47.25pt; line-height: normal; background-color: white; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(34,34,34)" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""> </span></span></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)" class="">Course outline/syllabus<span class=""></span></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 47.25pt; line-height: normal; background-color: white; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(34,34,34)" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""> </span></span></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)" class="">An example exercise with sample
data and presentation<span class=""></span></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 47.25pt; line-height: normal; background-color: white; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(34,34,34)" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""> </span></span></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)" class="">Link to the course website (if
it exists)<span class=""></span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)" class="">We
also discussed that open data or an online MOOC should be encouraged and would
be a positive attribute for a new organization seeking approval.<span class=""></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)" class="">I
think the most important characteristics for a potential QGIS certifying
organization are: 1) being able to determine that an they represent QGIS
accurately, 2) have sound materials and 3) qualified instructors. I think we all want
the resulting certificates to mean something. <span class=""></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white" class="">Regarding
instructors: Currently the initial approval of the organization is the only
quality check in the system. Once certified, an organization can add new courses
and instructors. Perhaps when an organization adds new teachers we should have
them provide a bio or resume and have some criteria for approving them? I
realize it would add another layer to manage, but it would be a nice
additional quality check in the system going forward.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes I think this is going to be a very useful next step to add to the platform….</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class=""></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white" class="">Regarding
mandated contributions to the QGIS project: It certainly is a good opportunity
to not only get more contributions to the project, but to educate more of the
users about the myriad of ways they can contribute. I think 9 out of 10 users still don't know this. The "How you can contribute" is material
that should be included in all workshops/courses resulting in a QGIS
certificate. For educational institutions and professional educators, authoring
books and publishing open content should suffice. <span class=""></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white" class="">Regarding a
mandated curriculum: This is interesting and perhaps also a bit of a slippery
slope. Mainly because courses might range from a single day custom professional
workshop to full term/semester courses. <span class=""> </span>Tim, I haven’t had time to really look at this
yet but I know you have put a lot of thought into it. It’s on my to do list. <span class=""> </span>We
wrestled with a lot of these issues when we first designed the FOSS4G Academy
& Discover QGIS. A mandated curriculum obviously needs to be flexible enough
so that local data could be substituted. It also needs to be organized in such
a way that modules can be selected for use in a course. Another consideration
is how that curriculum would fit for more topical courses like one on UAV’s and
QGIS, ecological conservation and QGIS, hydrology and QGIS, public health, cartography,
modelling, LiDAR, parcel management….</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Yes sorry if I wasn't clear (might be clearer if I meet with you and Hans and walk you through the curriculum app that Ismail is working on) - the idea would be that we can make some ‘standard’ courses like intro to QGIS, QGIS Advanced, etc. and also that anyone offering a specialised course can do so with the curriculum designer. The curriculum is then saved and a PDF generated containing all the training materials. A link to this document is then included in the certificate so that a reviewer of e.g. a CV can go and look at what content was covered in the course. Of course it only works if all the content is on the same platform (though I guess we could let people attach a PDF to the course in the certification app too).</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white" class=""><span class=""></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white" class="">Another reality
is that all of these issues mean more oversight and management by a small
team of volunteers. It will need to be built gradually and I like where we are
starting from. Thanks to Kartoza and Tim for building the platform! I like
where the discussion is going!</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Its our pleasure - and thanks for pitching in to help. By the way I am trying to keep things generic enough so that we can host this for other projects too….</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Regards</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Tim</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)" class=""><span class=""></span></span></p>
Cheers,<div class="">Kurt<br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><p class=""><span style="font-size:10pt" class="">Kurt Menke, GISP</span><br class=""></p><p class=""><a href="http://www.birdseyeviewgis.com/" title="http://www.birdseyeviewgis.com/" target="_blank" class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:blue" class="">www.BirdsEyeViewGIS.com</span></a></p><p class=""><br class=""><br class=""></p></div></div></div></div>
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