<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Can I suggest if possible that maybe it is better to resolve it on email - I think it is unfair to make the person wait so long for a response (or at least maybe you could write to him and tell him what the delay is and what the timeline for giving him a decision is).<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 19 Jun 2018, at 12:51, Paolo Cavallini <<a href="mailto:cavallini@faunalia.it" class="">cavallini@faunalia.it</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Thanks Kurt for your thoughts and insights.<br class="">I think we should discuss about this in the next PSC meeting.<br class="">All the best.<br class=""><br class="">Il 18/06/2018 20:21, Kurt Menke ha scritto:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Thanks for raising this issue! As I have been in the trenches on this, I<br class="">have lots of thoughts.<br class=""><br class="">One of the benefits of the way the certificate program is structured is<br class="">that it works for all course types: professional workshops, short<br class="">courses and full term/semester courses. This also makes evaluating<br class="">course materials tricky. It's easy when an organization is known to the<br class="">QGIS community. However, I think the criteria need to be set up so they<br class="">work equally well for organizations who might be more geographically<br class="">distant, or more involved in the educational side and are not well known<br class="">to the core QGIS community.<br class=""><br class="">In addition to providing a revenue stream back to the QGIS project I<br class="">think we all want the resulting certificates to mean something.<br class=""><br class="">This is how we have been operating so far:<br class=""><br class="">We have established that if an organization isn’t one we are familiar<br class="">with (outside QGIS “trust network”) they need to provide:<br class=""><br class=""> * Course outline/syllabus<br class=""> * Some sample exercises with sample data and lecture/presentation<br class=""> * Link to the course website (if it exists)<br class=""><br class="">I then go through their material and make sure they are representing<br class="">QGIS accurately, that the materials are up to date (e.g., not based on<br class="">v2.8), thorough, and generally look to be high quality. There are<br class="">obviously judgment calls here. Translating materials can also be difficult.<br class=""><br class="">We (Hans, Tim and Andreas) also discussed that having open<br class="">course-ware, or an online MOOC should be encouraged and would be a<br class="">positive attribute for a new organization seeking approval.<br class=""> <br class="">*snip*<br class="">* have a proved record of successful QGIS training, over at least 3 years<br class=""><br class="">I think this is an good idea although I'm not sure what we would ask for<br class="">to demonstrate this. # of courses taught? # of students passed?<br class=""><br class="">* be an active member of the community, with a documented record in<br class="">participating to HFs, writing code (as either core or public plugins),<br class="">writing documentation, translating large parts of interface or<br class="">documentation, maintaining core infrastructure; simple awareness rising<br class="">is not sufficient, in my view<br class=""><br class="">If this is the case then they likely already fall into the QGIS "trust<br class="">network" and get approved automatically. This might preclude<br class="">Universities, who have great programs, from becoming certifying<br class="">organizations. While I love the sentiment software development and<br class="">teaching are two different skill sets and most people don't<br class="">possess both. This criteria would need to include writing text books or<br class="">open course-ware as a contribution to the project. <br class=""><br class="">* be approved by the corresponding QGIS local user group.<br class=""> <br class="">What if there isn't a local QGIS user group? For example, where I live,<br class="">I feel like a QGIS island in and Esri ocean. I don't have a local QGIS<br class="">user group, although I would like to start one. It would mostly consist<br class="">of my ex-students! <br class=""><br class="">*******<br class="">One last thought...Since this is about education, having qualified<br class="">instructors is strikes me as important. Currently the initial approval<br class="">of the organization is the only quality check in the system. Once<br class="">certified, an organization can add new courses and instructors. Perhaps<br class="">in the future when an organization adds new teachers we should have them<br class="">provide a bio or resume and have some criteria for approving them? I<br class="">realize it would add another layer to manage, but it would be a nice<br class="">additional quality check in the system going forward. <br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class="">Kurt<br class=""><br class="">**************************<br class=""><br class="">Kurt Menke, GISP<br class="">Bird’s Eye View<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Qgis-psc mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" class="">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">Paolo Cavallini - <a href="http://www.faunalia.eu" class="">www.faunalia.eu</a><br class="">QGIS & PostGIS courses: <a href="http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html" class="">http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html</a><br class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=IT&q=qgis,arcgis" class="">https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=IT&q=qgis,arcgis</a><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Qgis-psc mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" class="">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc" class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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