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<p>Fine, thanks for clarifying.</p>
<p>All the best.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 09/16/2018 10:17 AM, Alexandre Neto
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<div><span>Sorry, I think I wasn't very clear in my last email.<br>
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<div>The user group, when asked by the Certification program
about if a certain company should be allowed to be
certificated, would prefer to use the same kind of criteria to
say yes or no. Obviously this should be adding to any criteria
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<div>This being said, you are right. 500 Euros is probably too
cheap for a mid-size company in Europe, but maybe it's not
such a small contribution for a small one man show company in
South-America. In some cases, money might be the only way a
company can contribute back to the project. It's not easy to
measure people's contributions in a fair way. <br>
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<div>Anyway, I think we (PROJECT) need to be clear about who we
want to be certificated for training and work from there.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A sáb, 15/09/2018, 13:20, Paolo
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all,<br>
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Il 09/13/2018 01:18 AM, Nyall Dawson ha scritto:<br>
> My concern here -- in the name of "giving
back", we're actually mainly<br>
> just benefiting the "leaches".<br>
lots of interesting thought in this thread, thanks
to all.<br>
Let me try to summarize:<br>
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* software and documentation are very similar, but
not exactly the same<br>
thing: when donating code (which is often paid
anyway) we help primarily<br>
users, so our customers; when donating docs we
help more our competitors<br>
* as a consequence, donating training material is
feasible for those who<br>
do mainly coding, less so for who live mostly on
training<br>
* our aim is to give a fair advantage to those who
contribute to the project<br>
* the requirement to show the training material
comes primarily from the<br>
need to check the quality of the training<br>
* we all would like to see free training material,
but nobody sees this<br>
as a blocker (?)<br>
* even if free, the material could be useless for
us (e.g. extracting<br>
content from pdf slides can be painful), and
cheating is very easy<br>
* we want to move forward.<br>
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A possible solution would be:<br>
* require to submit the training material to the
committee for<br>
evaluation, which is a critical step in acceptance<br>
* suggest to submit in a source, text form (rst or
md) following our<br>
documentation style, if possible<br>
* require an explicit licence for the material,
suggesting a CC-BY-SA<br>
whenever possible.<br>
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As for the evaluation, we agreed that there are no
good and simple<br>
measures for contribution. Because of this we
decided to let proponents<br>
show what they have done, and evaluate each
proposal.<br>
I am not sure a bronze sponsorship is enough for
this: in fact this<br>
would equate to a cheap entry fee to be accepted.
I would leave<br>
sponsoring out of the evaluation.<br>
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All the best.<br>
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