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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>got the reply from qgis-pt.</p>
<p>Anything prevents us from just refusing the certification,
inviting them to collaborate in the future to have a positive
response?</p>
<p>All the best.<br>
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<td>Re: Certification of Municipia</td>
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<td>Sun, 16 Sep 2018 08:34:22 +0100</td>
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<td>QGIS PORTUGAL <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:qgis.portugal@gmail.com"><qgis.portugal@gmail.com></a></td>
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<td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cavallini@faunalia.it">cavallini@faunalia.it</a></td>
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id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-afdb2353-7fff-101e-1ece-462b9e26ae78"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Hello Paolo,</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">In name of the members of the Portuguese user group, here is our answer to the certification of Municipia.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">As you have seen in the PSC mailing list, we as a group have been discussing when to consider a company QGIS friendly. To clarify, it had nothing to do with the Training certification process, but for the creation on our site of a page dedicated to companies. Only companies with certain criteria can show in there. Yet, both their services and their contributions will be listed there, so that users can take their own conclusions.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">For the certification program, we still think that this kind of criteria could help user groups to make their decision, special if there are contribution at the National level that the PSC may not be aware.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">You mention that this procedure aims to avoid free ride of companies that do not give back to the project. Municipia might be one of the supreme examples of that in Portugal. At least that we know.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">First some context about municipia. Municipia is a Cartography and GIS company. They have 55+ employees [0]. Amongst other work, they develop GIS solutions mainly for municipalities. During this year they signed public contracts in the value of 294k €, in 2017 it was 386k €, and in 2016 it was 156k€ [1] (Note that some of this contract are together with other companies, but, on the other hand this does not include contracts with private companies)</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We would vote NO for allowing them to have a QGIS certificate. Here’s the reasons:</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">1 - The 500€ donation was already in 2011, therefore totally outdated. Also, some members of our group think that the donation was in fact around 200€ that were spent in snacks for the 5th QGIS developer meeting. That allowed them to become official sponsors for a while. We think that in 2011 the 500€ minimum for becoming a sponsor still did not exists. Maybe Andrea can confirm this.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">2 - According to Giovanni, the participation of Municipia in the 5th QGIS developer meeting resumes to paying the snacks as posted above, and getting a room for the event in the university for free. Still, that was 7 years ago.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">3 - We have no experience with their QGIS courses. Anyway, these are not free (as in beer) and open courses that could count as a contribution to QGIS adoption. These course are probably delivered only to their enterprise clients, as we never saw any publicity about them.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">4 - By imposition of the OSGEO-Europe 2018 organization, the QGIS Wildfire hazard maps plugin, was published on Github. Yet, the plugin is incomplete, and will not return the expected outcome. This was tested by Pedro Venâncio, who created a pull request to finish the plugin, but got no answer from them.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">5 - AFAIK They use QGIS (amongst other FOSS) to deliver solutions for their clients, mainly public municipalities. They have shown some products is our national FOSS4G (SASIG) last year. One, for managing water networks was a QGIS plugin connected to PostGIS[2]. When asked if the code of that system was provided to their clients, they clearly answered that they would only provide the code to the client if that has been agreed in the contract. This shows how they simply ignore the GPL license…</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I hope that this helps clarifying our position. Thank you for requiring our opinion, we hope that this process make companies like Municipia change their Modus operandi, and become active QGIS contributors.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">In behalf of the Portuguese User Group,</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Alexandre Neto</span></p>
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href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/munic%C3%ADpia-s-a-/?originalSubdomain=pt"
style="text-decoration:none" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://www.linkedin.com/company/munic%C3%ADpia-s-a-/?originalSubdomain=pt</span></a></p>
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href="http://www.base.gov.pt/Base/pt/ResultadosPesquisa?type=contratos&query=texto%3Dmunicipia%26tipo%3D0%26tipocontrato%3D0%26cpv%3D%26numeroanuncio%3D%26aqinfo%3D%26adjudicante%3D%26adjudicataria%3D%26desdeprecocontrato_false%3D%26desdeprecocontrato%3D%26ateprecocontrato_false%3D%26ateprecocontrato%3D%26desdedatacontrato%3D%26atedatacontrato%3D%26desdedatapublicacao%3D%26atedatapublicacao%3D%26desdeprazoexecucao%3D%26ateprazoexecucao%3D%26desdedatafecho%3D%26atedatafecho%3D%26desdeprecoefectivo_false%3D%26desdeprecoefectivo%3D%26ateprecoefectivo_false%3D%26ateprecoefectivo%3D%26pais%3D0%26distrito%3D0%26concelho%3D0"
style="text-decoration:none" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">http://www.base.gov.pt/Base/pt/ResultadosPesquisa?type=contratos&query=texto%3Dmunicipia%26tipo%3D0%26tipocontrato%3D0%26cpv%3D%26numeroanuncio%3D%26aqinfo%3D%26adjudicante%3D%26adjudicataria%3D%26desdeprecocontrato_false%3D%26desdeprecocontrato%3D%26ateprecocontrato_false%3D%26ateprecocontrato%3D%26desdedatacontrato%3D%26atedatacontrato%3D%26desdedatapublicacao%3D%26atedatapublicacao%3D%26desdeprazoexecucao%3D%26ateprazoexecucao%3D%26desdedatafecho%3D%26atedatafecho%3D%26desdeprecoefectivo_false%3D%26desdeprecoefectivo%3D%26ateprecoefectivo_false%3D%26ateprecoefectivo%3D%26pais%3D0%26distrito%3D0%26concelho%3D0</span></a></p>
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href="http://osgeopt.pt/sasig2017/apresentacoes/22/Municipia_munWater_SASIG_2017.pptx"
style="text-decoration:none" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">http://osgeopt.pt/sasig2017/apresentacoes/22/Municipia_munWater_SASIG_2017.pptx</span></a></p>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:51 PM Paolo Cavallini
<<a href="mailto:cavallini@faunalia.it"
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<div>Obrigado.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Il 13 settembre 2018 10:59:22 CEST,
QGIS PORTUGAL <<a href="mailto:qgis.portugal@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">qgis.portugal@gmail.com</a>>
ha scritto:
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<div>Hi Paolo,</div>
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<div>We are taking care of it. I believe we will be
able to give an answer until the end of today.<br>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
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<div>Alexandre Neto<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:30 AM Paolo
Cavallini <<a href="mailto:cavallini@faunalia.it"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cavallini@faunalia.it</a>>
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all,<br>
we would greatly appreciate a confirmation of
receipt of this mine. Your<br>
review should be completed within one month from
first communication.<br>
Please do not hesitate contacting us, formally or
informally, for any doubt.<br>
Thanks for your cooperation.<br>
Cheers.<br>
===<br>
Hi all,<br>
<br>
as you probably know, QGIS.ORG-PSC has recently
decided that a necessary<br>
step to grant approval for a company to become a
QGIS Certifying entity<br>
is to ask local user groups to give their advice.
Our aim is to enhance<br>
collaboration on the project, and avoid providing a
free ride for those<br>
who only take without giving in proportion.<br>
<br>
I am therefore submitting a proposal. Since this is
the first time we<br>
apply the procedure, it has to be taken as slightly
experimental, so<br>
please do not hesitate discussing with us details
and decisions.<br>
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All the best, and thanks for your cooperation.<br>
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Here's the Municípia contribution to QGIS project:<br>
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2011 – 500€ donation for QGIS projet<br>
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2011 - 5th QGIS Developer Meeting in Lisbon<br>
The 5th QGIS Developer Meeting from 14 - 18 April
2011 was held in<br>
Lisbon, Portugal. This meeting was organized by
Vânia Neves and Giovanni<br>
Manghi (Faunalia.pt) and MUNICIPIA. The event was be
partially supported<br>
by MUNICIPIA and by the local OSGeo chapter.<br>
University of Lisbon, Institute of Geography and
Land Management<br>
provided the venue.<br>
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2011 - 2018<br>
12 QGIS courses (252 training hours for 144
trainees)<br>
<br>
2018 – QGIS Wildfire hazard maps plugin presentation
in OSGEO-Europe<br>
2018 Conference<br>
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My note: the plugin is publicly available at<br>
<a
href="https://github.com/MunicipiaSA/hazard_pmdfci"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/MunicipiaSA/hazard_pmdfci</a>
but not (yet?) published on<br>
our repo.<br>
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-- <br>
Paolo Cavallini - <a href="http://www.faunalia.eu"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.faunalia.eu</a><br>
QGIS & PostGIS courses: <a
href="http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=IT&q=qgis,arcgis"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=IT&q=qgis,arcgis</a><br>
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