<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 23 Nov 2018, at 19:51, Vincent Picavet (ml) <<a href="mailto:vincent.ml@oslandia.com" class="">vincent.ml@oslandia.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Hello Andreas,<br class=""><br class="">The reasons you push forward seem to be good reasons to transform<br class="">sponsorship into membership.<br class=""><br class="">However, it seems really important to me that <a href="http://QGIS.ORG" class="">QGIS.ORG</a> stays totally<br class="">independent.<br class="">And giving money to the organization should not have any impact on any<br class="">decision taken by <a href="http://QGIS.org" class="">QGIS.org</a>.<br class="">Giving back visibility to the members is good, giving voting rights is a<br class="">really big NO from me, and I would be against even small advantages like<br class="">choosing a bug to fix.<br class="">Note that in France, for membership and sponsoring of associations,<br class="">there are clear limitations of what you are allowed to do in terms of<br class="">counterparts. Non-complying associations are considered as service<br class="">providers and fall into different status and fiscal conditions. I don't<br class="">know for Switzerland, but it may be worth a look.<br class=""><br class="">Having non-voting members is common in associations and I do not see it<br class="">as a problem.<br class=""><br class="">That would be a +1 for me, under conditions.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’m on the same page as Vincent here: switching to memberships is good, but it should not come with any specific ’sweetners’ other than the ability for the organisation to say that they are a funding member of <a href="http://QGIS.org" class="">QGIS.org</a>.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Regards</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Tim</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class="">Best regards, have a nice weekend,<br class="">Vincent<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 21/11/2018 22:02, Andreas Neumann wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Dear PSC (and active contributors),<br class=""><br class="">I would like to discuss if we could change our statutes again (sorry<br class="">about that - and of course only if you agree - we can vote on it).<br class=""><br class="">The idea is to change our current sponsorships we have to a membership<br class="">in the future. As it is now it would be purely voluntary - and they<br class="">wouldn't have voting rights. We could call them "sustaining members" or<br class="">"supporting members" and we could still keep different membership<br class="">categories. Instead of calling them gold/silver/bronze, we would could<br class="">them something like small (the current bronze), normal (the current<br class="">silver), large (the current gold) - or something similar (perhaps you<br class="">have better ideas about the naming) - just to make sure it is not a<br class="">sponsorship anymore - and gold/silver/bronze is quite attached to<br class="">sponsorships.<br class=""><br class="">Why would I suggest such a change?<br class=""><br class="">* There is a good chance that our sponsorship payments will reach a<br class="">limit (150k CHF = approx. 130k €), if we would surpass that limit, then<br class="">we would have to charge VAT on the sponsorship payments<br class=""><br class="">* on the other hand membership fees of an association are not subject to<br class="">VAT<br class=""><br class="">* a membership could be easier for public authorities to pay, instead of<br class="">a sponsorship<br class=""><br class="">* Maybe organizations are more likely to renew a membership fee than a<br class="">sponsorship (maybe more commitment) - but not sure about that.<br class=""><br class="">* we would still have a public listing of sustaining members (with their<br class="">logos, website and location), but we wouldn't call them sponsors anymore<br class=""><br class="">* Members are welcome to add a donation on top of the membership fee.<br class="">This would be similar to now. Some bronze sponsors maybe voluntarily pay<br class="">1500 instead of 500, but are still listed as bronze, until they would<br class="">surpass the threshold of the next level.<br class=""><br class="">We can discuss or think about if we can give such sustaining/supporting<br class="">members some additional benefits (which would help attract more of them)<br class="">- e.g. a small member could name 2 bugs that get prioritized during bug<br class="">fixing time, for normal it would be 5 and for large some maybe 10. Or<br class="">maybe you would have some other ideas about benefits for such members<br class="">instead. I think they shouldn't have voting rights - that should stay<br class="">with the current voting members (the active contributors, user groups<br class="">and developers).<br class=""><br class="">Thoughts?<br class=""><br class="">Greetings,<br class=""><br class="">Andreas<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Qgis-psc mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" class="">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Qgis-psc mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org" class="">Qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org</a><br class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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