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<p>Hi Saber,</p>
<p>yes, this is also my understanding.</p>
<p>All the best.</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear PSC,
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<div>From the meeting notes [1], it seems the motion for the
PSC to absorb the cost (Point 2 in my email) has been
accepted.</div>
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<div>Could you clarify:</div>
<div>1- The PSC is not funding the initial work (Point 1). If
so, we'd like to run a crowd-funding campaign. Any promotion
from QGIS.org is highly appreciated.</div>
<div>2- From 3.6 release, the packages generated from the
above packaging process will be used under the official
download page. This is for our resourcing and crowd-funding
purposes, so that we can have everything in place before 3.6
release.</div>
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<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Saber</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 16:09, Matthias Kuhn <<a
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<p>Hi</p>
<p>I once discussed some ideas with Larry to assess the
library version problem with homebrew and packaging.</p>
<p>The simpler idea was to create a system snapshot with a
known set of libraries (or just zip them up?). I am not
completely sure travis allows for launching
virtual/container macos instances inside. This would even
make sense for reproducibility on a dedicated server.
Homebrew is terrible in restoring historic stages in case
the build server breaks down.<br>
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<p>The other idea was to come up with an alternative
repository for homebrew that has releases but this will
require to build up a community to maintain this homebrew
distribution, but I am quite sure we are not alone in this
situation.</p>
<p>Concerning the certificate, this can be encrypted and
stored on travis. We use this functionality extensively
for login credentials and certificates on a lot of our
repositories.</p>
<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>Matthias<br>
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<div>regarding the travis, one concern is that we did
not want to have our apple's certificate publicly
accessible Also, with dedicated server we have some
stability in used libraries (versions). For example
when homebrew is used, I think it is not possible to
install specific library version (let say gdal x.y.z).
On travis, you would end up in installation of the
latest version in every build. On dedicated server,
you install dependencies once, you build hundreds of
nightly builds with one set of dependencies and then
create package for LTR/PR with the same set.... </div>
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<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Peter</div>
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<div
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<div
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<div
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<div
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<div
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<br>
<div
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<div>It is really great what you have done - yay!
WRT the certificates, I think OSGEO already has
a certificate, the hard thing II guess is to
track it down and get them to share it with you
so you can sign with it.</div>
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<div>I wonder gif the packages can be built on
travis which seems to offer a macOS build
environment too:</div>
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<div><a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/reference/osx/</a></div>
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<div>I’m expecting negative comments here saying
we should not spend QGIS money on licenses and
servers for macOS but hopefully folks can step
back a bit and see that this is a minimal
investment to make a really first class
experience for macOS users. I think we should
also be able to obtain the running costs for
macOS through targeted donations - watching the
donations notifications, it seems that quite a
few already earmarked funds towards macOS….</div>
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<div>Regards</div>
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<div>Tim</div>
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